Who's looking forward to the Christmas Special then? :D

So it'll be a caricature, then.

Ironic, since we actually see Hartnell spring-cleaning on occasion.

The funny thing is all this identity politics crap being inserted into Doctor Who and other things like Marvel has actually taken us back to the 50's in terms of how women and minorities are portrayed in the genre.

When you look at the most progressive sci fi and fantasy things from the 50's, and 60's like Dan Dare and Star Trek they'd sometimes draw attention to the fact that they had women and black people in strong roles. Now that was fine then. Back then it was a big deal and controversial sadly to have a woman or a black character be even a feisty sidekick never mind a lead, so the writers would address it to the audiences in a "they should be heroes too" kind of a way.

However times move on. Really I'd say by the late 70's would anyone give a shit if a black guy or a woman, or an LGBT character was the lead?

Like Lister from Red Dwarf whose race is utterly unimportant, Xena who though yes is obviously written as a female character, again is just a superhero. However now all these SJW versions of things like Doctor Who, Class, Marvel have taken us back to the 50s, and they've added a spiteful aspect to it, not only in how anti white and men it is, but in how much contempt it has for its audience.

Take a look at this bit from Red Dwarf and this bit from the SJW themed Class to see what I mean. Both scenes involve a black character and a white character talking about the white characters hard childhood.

LISTER: You never said much about your father.
RIMMER: No.
LISTER: You must have been pretty close.
RIMMER: Close.
LISTER: Was it very close?
RIMMER: Close. (Pause) I hated him. I detested his fat stupid guts, the
pop-eyed, balding git.
LISTER: What?
RIMMER: He always wanted to join the Space Corps — be an officer. But
they wouldn’t take him because he was an inch below regulation height.
One inch. I had three brothers. When we were young he bought a
traction machine so that he could stretch us. By the time my brother
Frank was eleven he was six foot five. Every morning he’d measure us
and if we hadn’t grown, back on the rack.
LISTER: Sounds like he had a screw loose.
RIMMER: I don’t think he had one screw fully tightened, to be perfectly
honest with you. He had this fixation that we all had to get into the
Space Corps. At meal times he’d ask us questions on astronavigation.
If we got them wrong — no food.
LISTER: God, Rimmer, how did you cope with that?
RIMMER: I didn’t. I nearly died of malnutrition.
LISTER: I had no idea. I thought you adored your parents.
RIMMER: When I was fourteen I divorced them.
LISTER: What?
RIMMER: I took them to court. I got paid maintenance until employment
age and access every fourth weekend to the family dog.
LISTER: So why are you so completely blown away about him dying then?
RIMMER: Oh, it doesn’t mean to say I don’t respect him, didn’t look up to
him. It was only natural — he was my father.
LISTER: There’s nothing natural about your family, Rimmer.
RIMMER: It’s just I always wanted just once, just once, for him to say to
me, “well done.”
LISTER: For what?
RIMMER: For something, for anything. I wanted him to be proud of me,
just once.

ANYA: White people.
APRIL: White people what?
TANYA: Always so optimistic. Always so certain things are going to work out for you. Oh, well, because they usually do.
APRIL: My dad tried to kill me when I was eight.
TANYA: But you got your mum up walking again. Typical white-person happy ending.

Also compare this powerful scene from Xena where she coldly lets her nemesis Callisto sink to her death in quicksand (this reminds me of the 5th Doctor leaving the Master to burn to death in Planet of Fire.)



Now compare it to the cringe fest that is Supergirl.



They've fucked it up for everybody. Sadly it appears given their track record this new female Doctor won't be any different.

This isn't really all that new for a multi-Doctor story featuring the first Doctor, is it?

Richard Hurdnall comes up against an indignant Tegan in The Five Doctors after he asks her to go and make some tea. Conversely her modernness, energy and vernacular annoys the piss out of him.

Hoping it's only a scene or two in the special, tbh, as I doubt people will want to feel like they're being preached at through their screens...especially in light of what is to come.

Zarius wrote:Gather round kids, Bradley will be a chauvenist and Capaldi will tell him off


http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-07-30/david-bradley-theres-a-lot-of-conflict-between-the-two-doctors-over-casual-chauvinism-in-the-doctor-who-christmas-special

Oh dear, I thought David Bradley was supposed to be playing the First Doctor in this and not William Hartnell.

This is really coming across as a bit patronising, why would an alien with a telepathic alien granddaughter from the far flung future hold 1960's chauvinistic values? and since WHEN would the first Doctor have EVER ordered Polly to do housework? He wouldn't have dared, not with Ben growling protectively over his "Dutchess". Utter bollocks.

Why would dust settle in what has been established as "a sterile environment" for the last 50 years anyway?

Looks like a dullard exercise in self-justification for their retcons and revisionisms to me.

Do me a favour and just fucking kill the character off after Capaldi - he was only supposed to live to his 13th incarnation anyway. Screw your "Immortal God" Disney gold dust magic wand waving crap and Buffy remake wannabes.

I'm not sure what else there is to say. The whole thing is nothing more than parody now.

iank wrote:I'm not sure what else there is to say. The whole thing is nothing more than parody now.

Indeed.

I'm surprised they haven't written the first Doctor throwing out the odd bit of random antisemitism too. FFS.

It's rumoured Susan might pop up at the very end of the episode too, no doubt for Bradley to give a jolly good smacked bottom to.

This latest move of making Hartnell's Doctor a sexist is both stupid, and insulting to 60's Who.

To start with even within their own logic it makes 0 sense. How the fuck could the Doctor be a sexist if he came from a race who have no gender identity? The first Doctor must have known that there was a 50/50 chance he's morph into a woman at any point. He could tell Polly to clean up the TARDIS and then slip and bang his head and turn into Tina Turner!

Its so fucking stupid its not true. Then again this has been the case throughout Moff Who. He does things to pander to a certain audience rather than for narrative reasons. Hence why he has written into it that time lords have no gender identity yet has written the Doctor as more blokish than ever before, like when he slaps Clara on the arse or makes jokes about "that's how I pick up girls".

I'd imagine Moff's Doctor as a woman would probably be like Eddie in Bottom when he imagines he's come back as a woman "Oh look you're all wet you better strip off slowly in front of a mirror".

Its insulting to 60's Who however as it implies that all of the female companions were weak pushovers who let the Doctor get away with being a sexist pig. Ironically the first Doctor travelled with one of the strongest female characters in all of Doctor Who, Barbara. Look at the way Barbara chews him out in Inside the Spaceship and he has to go grovelling to her for forgiveness!

Now that's being tossed in the bin ironically to reinforce the idea perpetuated by third rate hack journalists in the 90's who used to say all the Doctors companions did was say "yes doctor, no doctor."

Will Cyberbrig get reprogrammed as Cyber-Bambera?

Mott1 wrote:Will Cyberbrig get reprogrammed as Cyber-Bambera?

Probably, I expect Whittaker will be given a robot cat called FE-LINE too.

burrunjor wrote:I'd imagine Moff's Doctor as a woman would probably be like Eddie in Bottom when he imagines he's come back as a woman "Oh look you're all wet you better strip off slowly in front of a mirror"."

We've seen how Moffat would do a female Doctor



Wasn't she married to Edmusonn anyway?

http://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/doctor-who-christmas-special-2017-steven-moffat/

Outgoing Showrunner Steven Moffat Admits Doctor Who Almost Lost Its Christmas Slot

There was one big glitch, which was Christmas. I was going to leave at the end of series 10 – I had my finale planned and what I wanted to do with it. I had a good notion of that. Then I learned at a drinks event somewhere that Chris didn’t want to start with a Christmas, so at that point they were going to skip Christmas. There’d be no Christmas special and we would’ve lost that slot. Doctor Who would’ve lost that slot if we hadn’t [done a special] because Christmas Day is now so rammed. So I said, probably four glasses of red wine in, ‘I’ll do Christmas!’ and then had to persuade Peter [Capaldi] that’s how we were leaving.

It’s like handing over any job. Though Chris was incredibly, and is incredibly, fastidious about not wanting to seem to lurk behind me, ready to knife me in the back! I never felt that – he was absolutely welcome to be there any time he wanted, I had no problem with it all. He’s a good friend.

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-08-03/will-we-see-the-first-doctor-regenerate-into-the-second-in-the-doctor-who-christmas-special--and-who-will-play-him

Perhaps the strain of chatting up his future self will be too much for old one-sie...

Mott1 wrote:http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-08-03/will-we-see-the-first-doctor-regenerate-into-the-second-in-the-doctor-who-christmas-special--and-who-will-play-him

Perhaps the strain of chatting up his future self will be too much for old one-sie...

It's Lee Mack. Lee Mack will play the second Doctor, aged up and in a cheap wig.

it sounds like the ususal overblown hysterical moffat arsewipe dribblings

Two Doctors stranded in a forbidding snowscape, refusing to face regeneration. And a British army captain seemingly destined to die in the First World War, but taken from the trenches to play his part in the Doctor’s story. This is the magical last chapter in the Twelfth Doctor’s epic adventure. He must face his past to decide his future. And the Doctor will realise the resilience of humanity, discovering hope in his darkest frozen moment. It’s the end of an era. But the Doctor’s journey is only just beginning.

Honestly, I just couldn't care less at this point.

Shatner is auctioning off the script for charity

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-10-13/doctor-who-script-william-shatner-script/

Try not to laugh:

iank wrote:Try not to laugh:

What unbridled joy I am feeling right now!
They've brought back Robin from Arc of Infinity and isn't it remarkable to see a link up with Joanna Lumley's Sapphire character.

I shall design a new mug to celebrate.

A clip being shown for tonight's Children In Need.
Even though it's meant to be in the first half hour I'll wait for it to show up on YouTube if it's all the same.
Probably won't even have the right incidental music so forewarned on that one!

see, whats happened here with Moffat and Gatiss, is very much the equivalent of what this character is up to

https://twitter.com/ccshoreditch/status/929754254990069761

Looks pretty dreadful, though I did snort at the younger crack at Capaldi.

A journalist on 4chan claims to have seen the Christmas special, he said Capaldi winds up storing a data copy of himself in the library with River, with the ability to turn into prior Doctors (hence the rumored Matt Smith cameo), I guess that's kind of Moffat's "out", it allows him to tie things up in his era, and also provide us with a way of getting the male Doctor back if Jodie bombs.

It's also a rip-off of Rose getting her own sex doll Doctor.
Moffat and Davies are both embarassing fan fic writers wanting the Doctor to end up forever with their personal Mary Sues.
Embarrassing.

I would have gone for the Casino ending to wrap things up.
"House Of The Rising Sun" on the soundtrack as all the characters and mythology he set up get wiped out one by one.
"After they found River Song's body I hired a private Doctor to do another autopsy. He said they gave her a hot dose. In the end, all she had left was $3,600 in mint condition coins."

In fact I probably won't watch the Christmas special so I can have that as official headcanon!