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Overnight ratings for this episode weren't exactly amazing and I personally doubt that this silly gender-swapping "dun4thetabloids" type stunt will improve upon Capaldis record breaking worse than Sylvester McCoy overnights.
Enjoy your one series Barbie Doll Doctor and possibly a few specials afterwards suckers.
They would've called it regenderation and not regeneration if you hadn't have reconned Time Lords and their whole damn culture beyond all recognition for no damn discernible reason what so ever, you idiot manboy hack writers. People like Hulke and Holmes must be turning in their graves looking at the abortion NuWho have made of their creations.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Not even the Ten-Squee fangirls want to watch this rubbish.
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Boofer wrote:Is it now an established trope that regeneration inside the TARDIS makes it crash?
Original thinking at its finest.
You'd think the Doctor would take some precautions by now and regenerate in some special, closed off-room somewhere so as not to damage his/her ship... but I guess that wouldn't be grandiose and epic enough.
The moment the Doctor proclaimed how amazing she was while mugging a zany, twatty 'face of wonder' for all the sqeeing masses, was an unadulterated channeling of the worst writing and acting of Tennant's era.
Expect the Doctor to behave like a goofy arse every episode.
Wacky days are here again....
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Doctor Who: Twice Upon A Time had an Audience Appreciation or AI score of 81.
The Appreciation Index or AI is a measure of how much the audience enjoyed the programme. The score, out of a hundred, is compiled by a specially selected panel of around 5,000 people who go online and rate and comment on programmes.
The score is similiar to that received by last year's Christmas Special The Return of Doctor Mysterio which scored 82.
The highest score of the evening was shared by Call the Midwife on BBC One, Paul O'Grady: For the Love of Dogs at Christmas on ITV1 and Victoria on ITV1 all of which scored 88. The highest rated show of the day, Mrs Brown's Boys, had an AI of 83.
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Boofer wrote:Might be proof that political castings only appeal to a political minority.
I've been saying that for the past 3 years since Michelle Gomez first pranced onto the screen as a version of the Master so atrocious all of us really should have stopped watching there and then.
Its so sad really when you think what could have been instead. There's so many people out there who wanted to revive DW in the 90s from Steven Speilberg to Leonard Nimoy, and it went to that smug self loathing fanboy Fitzroy Tavern crowd who had 0 understanding or respect for the show and its fans.
They've never really got the character, and they for the most part never cast actors who were right for the Doctor. If I'm being honest Eccelston and Tennant just weren't right for the role. They didn't look the part. They were too modern, too conventional, and whilst they are both excellent actors, I just don't think they worked as the Doctor.
The two out of 5 that they DID cast right for the part, Matt and Peter they also not only wasted, but actively went against what they clearly wanted to do.
Lets see Matt Smith pitched his Doctor as a lovable, sweet, cute, childlike, yet also doting grandfatherly figure who was completely innocent so what did Moff have his Doctor do? Pair up with a dominatrix MILF in River Song, drool over and slap Clara on the bum and make remarks about fucking bad girls and liking bondage.
Peter Capaldi clearly wanted his Doctor to be a Hartnell/Pertwee type, IE alpha male, authoritative, angry, no nonsense, older and mature, yet strong as an old turkey.
So again what did Moff do? Had him get slapped around by Clara, literally, beg her to look after him, dance around on a tank like a hipster doofus, fell in love with his 20 something companion,
I would have loved it if Leonard Nimoy had revived DW. He obviously knew good sci fi (having not only played the legendary Mr Spock, but also having directed two of the best Star Trek movies, Search for Spock and Voyage Home)
Dylan Moran meanwhile as the 9th Doctor, Tim Curry as the 10th Doctor, we keep Smith and Capaldi (and let them play it their way), and have Adrian Lester as the final 13th Doctor.
When Adrian Lester's Doctor dies that would be it. No bullshit magic pixie fairy dust giving him more regenerations. The Doctors last life is his last life. By that point we'd have had 13 versions of him. Time to call it a day and have the Doctor go out in style.
The next version of the show would be a remake which would be better for all involved. They can genuinely do whatever they want in a remake as its not the original character at that point. Let them do all the shit they want, but the original character is left alone, and the 13 original, canon Doctors are full story.
At the same time we could have had a Romana spin off with Ingrid Oliver, Rachel Shelley, Katie McGrath, and Dawn Steel as Romana.
What could have been
The 9th Doctor.
The 10th Doctor.
Instead we get
Maybe its for the best that they finally had a female Doctor as now we can just divorce this car crash from the original series once and for all.
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iank wrote:Man, these days I can't even look at Tennant without wanting to deck him.
LOL I don't mind Tennant as an actor all around and he is a really nice, cool guy.
He just wasn't the Doctor though. I mean look at him in this picture here.
I mean FFS how could ANYONE think that was the Doctor?
Dylan Moran and Tim Curry were always my top two choices when I was a child in the 90s and the 00s to play the Doctor because they were both naturally eccentric, looked very unusual, and you obviously could NOT do anything romantic with either of them (particularly Dylan Moran.)
You can't say the same thing about Tennant (though having said that I wouldn't have thought you could have done any mushy romantic crap with Malcolm Tucker either but they managed it in Hellbent.)
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Mr. Happy wrote:
burrunjor wrote:
Boofer wrote:Might be proof that political castings only appeal to a political minority.
I've been saying that for the past 3 years...
Then why going on about it for 3 years as if your life depended on it if it's doomed to fail?
What? I've been saying don't do it for the past 3 years as I liked Doctor Who, wanted to see it go on, and didn't want it to not only get cancelled, but also for this generation of self loathing cucks to salt the earth for future people who might have wanted to do something new with characters like the Master, which they have done.
That's the worst thing about Moff. Its such bad manners when you are given control of something that is so long running to treat it like you own it.
JNT didn't do that. At the end of his tenure he made sure not to fuck up other people's stories.
His last shot of the Brig was him sitting comfortably in his garden, he had the Master still as the Master, Davros still out there, he had made sure that Andrew Cartmel hadn't rewritten the origins of the Doctor so that in the future when it came back, people could just do Doctor Who again.
Now however? Everything from his origins, to the Time Lords, to regeneration, to the Master, to the first Doctor has all been rewritten or left in such a terrible mess that I very much doubt anyone will want to bother with it again.
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Yup. People can whine all they like, but at the end of the day JNT was 1000000 times the caretaker of this show than any of the ego-driven New Poo hacks.
Steven Moffat's feminist pandering version of Doctor Who for the past few years does remind me of Ted's cringey attempts to show how not racist he is in the club later in that episode.
Steven Moffat's feminist pandering version of Doctor Who for the past few years does remind me of Ted's cringey attempts to show how not racist he is in the club later in that episode.
Moffat can only dream of having the warmth and integrity of a Father Ted character!
Even Philip Sandifer can recognise this one is flawed:
And then, of course, there’s the big one, which is that it’s not entirely clear why David Bradley is here. I mean, he’s generally delightful in the part, turning in a performance that is clearly not William Hartnell, but that feels believably like the First Doctor. But his narrative role is, charitably, fuzzy. He has no real agency in the plot, he doesn’t seem to actually be involved in Capaldi eventually deciding to regenerate, and he mostly seems to be there to let Moffat go “oh, you think I’m sexist?” Which ends up being odd, because while Moffat isn’t entirely off base in critiquing the social justice credentials of the Hartnell era (the “jolly good smacked bottom” line is a direct quote, after all), he both inflates it to a ridiculous straw man and fails to have it really comport with his reconceptualization of the Time Lords as a genderfluid species. (Harold’s misogyny in The Doctor Falls could at least be handwaved as “well yes, he’s evil,” but there’s really no plausible reason why the First Doctor would go full m’lady.) And past that, it’s just a weird “doth protest too much” on Moffat’s part. His feminist credentials are well-proven for anyone willing to expend more effort on the question than reading Tumblr or the Guardian. He didn’t need to go out shitting on the Hartnell era to prove this point, and nobody who still thinks he’s a sexist is going to give a shit that he has.
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And then, of course, there’s the big one, which is that it’s not entirely clear why David Bradley is here. His narrative role is, charitably, fuzzy. He has no real agency in the plot, he doesn’t seem to actually be involved in Capaldi eventually deciding to regenerate, and he mostly seems to be there to let Moffat go “oh, you think I’m sexist?”
That's exactly what I said! He does basically NOTHING in the entire story. He spends pretty much the whole episode just trudging along and making snide, sexist remarks. Why bring a past Doctor back if you're not going to give him a pivotal role in the story? Christ, this special was even worse than the End of Time.
Moffat 1985 wrote:Even for the 60’s, it was slow. If you look at the first episode of Doctor Who, that betrays the lie that it’s just the 60’s, because that first episode’s really good. The rest of it’s shit...
...When I look back at Doctor Who now, I laugh at it fondly. As a television professional, I think ‘How did these guys get a paycheque every week?’. Nothing from the black and white days, with the exception of the pilot episode, should have got out of the building. They should have been clubbing those guys to death. You’ve got an old guy in the lead who can’t remember his lines. You’ve got Patrick Troughton, who was a good actor, but his companions – how did they get their Equity card? They’re unimaginably bad. Once you get to the colour stuff, some of it’s watchable, but it’s laughable. Mostly now, looking back, I’m startled by it.
Watch that video from the 3.17 cos it's funny to see Moffat backtrack like that
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Something I just picked up from another forum:
A couple of interesting thoughts mentioned on the latest Verity! podcast:
1) The First Doctor being a sexist idiot at the start was a commentary on a certain subset of fans responding to the news that the Doctor would regenerate to have two X chromosomes.
2) We're being set up for a 'Doctor searches for the TARDIS' season while stuck mostly on Earth.
Point 1) I'm rolling my eyes at Moffat sacrificing the integrity of the character of the first Doctor in order to thumb his nose at "a certain subset of fans" who disagree with him. I'm not even annoyed about the whole female doctor thing so much as it annoys me that Moffat thinks he can use the program to project his personal reactions in this way. It's like: Fuck integrity, it's all about ME.
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The First Doctor being a sexist idiot at the start was a commentary on a certain subset of fans responding to the news that the Doctor would regenerate to have two X chromosomes.
God, that pisses me off so bad.
1. No one watches Doctor Who to have opinions shoved down their throats.
2. There are far better ways to provide commentary on the anti female Doctor crowd than to insult the memory of a deceased actor by desecrating a past Doctor's character and completely vandalising the show's history.
3. Being opposed to a female Doctor doesn't automatically make you a fucking sexist.
Moffat is an arrogant prick with ZERO respect for the show's history and lore.
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