HomeThe Tories have taken away most of the pie. They'll give one piece back, and all the dumb Tory voting fucks will be terribly grateful, as if they're getting the whole pie back, whilst the top earners laugh all the way to the deregulated bank with their extra bits of pie that the Tories took from you to give to them in the name of 'austerity'.
UK General Election 2019
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127 Re: UK General Election 2019 15th December 2019, 1:06 pm
Ken Grubshaw
burrunjor wrote:TiberiusDidNothingWrong wrote:Yeah sure, I’ll stand by what I said, which is basically what I recapped earlier on. Can you come up with a good counter argument though?
You serious? Women are only interested in politics that's entirely about them? Its not even an argument. Its a sexist, ignorant statement with NOTHING to back it up, other than "I know a few women at Uni so that makes me an expert on ALL women."
But for the record studies show that the overwhelming majority of women reject identity politics and modern third wave feminism whilst still supporting equality between the sexes, and they reject these idealogies specifically because they are anti men.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjc8oa7_rTmAhWPfMAKHWpoDZwQFjAAegQIAxAG&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-politics-47006912&usg=AOvVaw2wwxxYnWv4xb-Jc_qoMSG5
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjc8oa7_rTmAhWPfMAKHWpoDZwQFjACegQIARAG&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwomenintheworld.com%2F2019%2F02%2F08%2Fmajority-of-young-women-reject-feminist-label-but-not-for-the-reasons-youd-think%2F&usg=AOvVaw0-gQWvf3GoYyw2mCKt_TIc
Added to that many famous women in politics could hardly be described as feminists like Margaret Thatcher,or Hillary Clinton (sure she played up being a feminist but that was only to get support. Her track record shows she's NOT a feminist, which was one of the biggest criticism's of her and probably a reason she got curb stomped by a reality tv star.)TiberiusDidNothingWrong wrote:Inept, sure, most Tories today think the same – hence why we’re moving on.
Callous? They were just spending cuts, and where welfare is the major expenditure – that’s what’s getting cut. Welfare is generosity, cutting welfare isn’t callous it’s just less generous.
Regardless, the cuts didn’t take the NHS away and they’re only part of the reason for the NHS’s current state – alongside mismanagement and increased demand.
This didn’t ‘cause’ harm or death, much less in the millions. Moreso, can’t you see how silly it is to suggest the tories ‘caused’ anything of the same? Likewise, comparing it to collectivisation? Come on, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and ignore that one.
As Ronnie said if you really believe that propaganda then more fool you. I never said that it has killed millions, just that it will if its allowed to go on indefinitely.
And Welfare is not generosity. Its a vital safety net for people.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiVupn__7TmAhXMiFwKHUdYDW4QFjAAegQIBxAH&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmetro.co.uk%2F2019%2F04%2F22%2Fstarving-man-deemed-fit-work-just-6st-dies-9283149%2F&usg=AOvVaw145fKqvaG5tzwljawp6m9z
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiVupn__7TmAhXMiFwKHUdYDW4QFjACegQIAxAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mirror.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-news%2Fdisabled-man-starved-death-four-6334256&usg=AOvVaw1gGyksyk6mtXIZxatEyLlt
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiBk_rJgLXmAhUBkFwKHaCsBQoQFjABegQIBxAH&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.disabilityrightsuk.org%2Fnews%2F2016%2Faugust%2Fhalf-people-poverty-are-disabled-or-live-disabled-person&usg=AOvVaw2bjQPzOZFKg5GqIznBev_P
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiBk_rJgLXmAhUBkFwKHaCsBQoQFjAAegQIBhAG&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.disabilityrightsuk.org%2Fnews%2F2018%2Fseptember%2Fdisabled-peoples-poverty-worse-govt-estimates&usg=AOvVaw0eBTixujU9yQwvdZJG_NZT
Also I was only comparing it to collectivisation in the sense that you can justify anything by saying "well that's not what they intended."TiberiusDidNothingWrong wrote:Why you would want independence when Scotland is essentially an economic parasite, and politically – under devolution – has plenty of power in self-governance that only seems to be increasing with time: is a mystery.
I don’t think you even support the EU so the second part is probably not worth arguing, but it will become rather less relevant within the next two months when it will be a question of re-joining not remaining.
Scotland is its own country, not a fucking parasite.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwivr8bxgbXmAhWGecAKHdgiBm0QtwIIKTAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbellacaledonia.org.uk%2F2013%2F03%2F19%2Ftop-10-unionist-myths-debunked-banned-then-re-debunked%2F&usg=AOvVaw38SQNnEC4h2WqJ1VMK8Yma
There are plenty of reasons to want Scottish independence that have nothing to do with the EU. Tommy Sheridan, one of the leading voices for Scottish Independence was also pro Brexit. Besides I never said I hated the EU anyway.
Last night at your house was absolutely fantastic. I honestly never thought I could do amazing things like that using only a Tesco value toothbrush and a spandex glove! The only thing I didn't appreciate was having you lose a finger nail in my urethral meatus. I can tell you all now, it wasn't easy getting that out of there! I'm also not sure why I woke up in a closed WHS shop (will have to smash a window or something to get out) instead of finding myself wrapped in your dinosaur sleeping bag on the hole-riddled air bed that you reluctantly set up for me. I guess I had slightly too much to drink LOL To remember this amazing night I have decided to take home the Jo Swinson picture we decided to drench in jizz after we regrettably misplaced the photo of Boris Johnson.
I'm off to King's Cross later to see if anyone wants to purchase my boxset of Slinger's Day, the short-lived ITV comedy starring Bruce Forsyth. All of the DVDs have been replaced with blank discs featuring never before seen feature of the KKK and also an exclusive documentary detailing why the Hindenburg disaster was actually an inside job. There's a few blood stains on the cover but by and large I think in eBay terms it would be considered to be in "very good condition"
Take care,
Maxi- Ken Grubshaw.
128 Re: UK General Election 2019 15th December 2019, 3:55 pm
Tanmann
Dick Tater
Bill wrote:I think Boris will be PM for 10 years. Labour have no answer. I hope things will get better next decade. But the key point is: even if they don’t, and there are many very hard years ahead, Boris will still win - because he has linked himself to Brexit, which is the key to our future now.
I'm not sure about that. I do get the sense a lot of the public liked the sound of the Labour manifesto. They just didn't trust Corbyn himself.
Perhaps naively I hold out hope that under a new leadership, that keeps the best parts of the manifesto and kicks out the poisonous anti-semitic elements from the party, and if Brexit is sorted quickly or falls apart quickly, Labour might get a better, easier second shot next time.
129 Re: UK General Election 2019 19th December 2019, 11:19 pm
Ken Grubshaw
He'll never be Thatcher
but I like him. I wish him all the very best for the future and that he is always welcome at the Prufrock if he wants to drop by.
but I like him. I wish him all the very best for the future and that he is always welcome at the Prufrock if he wants to drop by.
130 Re: UK General Election 2019 20th December 2019, 8:13 am
Ludders
I think your first paragraph sums it up, Tannmann.
My sympathies with Tory voters who didn't have the wit to see what a clusterfuck a Boris led government is going to be; will be very low as I watch the UK degrade itself further, like a fat chav wanking on his own clothes in public.
It's the rest who didn't, that I feel for. But so be it. The UK continues to shit in its own bed, and it will have to lie in it.
My sympathies with Tory voters who didn't have the wit to see what a clusterfuck a Boris led government is going to be; will be very low as I watch the UK degrade itself further, like a fat chav wanking on his own clothes in public.
It's the rest who didn't, that I feel for. But so be it. The UK continues to shit in its own bed, and it will have to lie in it.
131 Re: UK General Election 2019 20th December 2019, 10:49 am
Ken Grubshaw
Ronnie wrote:The UK continues to shit in its own bed, and it will have to lie in it.
You've just described one of my sexual fetishes.
132 Re: UK General Election 2019 23rd December 2019, 11:26 pm
Pepsi Maxil
The Grand Master
I love this. I'm so glad he won.
133 Re: UK General Election 2019 24th December 2019, 12:36 am
Boofer
And he's reneged on a number of promises already. 
Not that it's an enormous surprise, but Johnson doesn't usually pull out that quickly - ask the mothers of his illegitimate children if you don't believe me.
Not that it's an enormous surprise, but Johnson doesn't usually pull out that quickly - ask the mothers of his illegitimate children if you don't believe me.
134 Re: UK General Election 2019 24th December 2019, 1:07 am
Pepsi Maxil
The Grand Master
He'll work everything out soon enough. Have faith.
135 Re: UK General Election 2019 24th December 2019, 2:17 am
Tanmann
Dick Tater
Pepsi Maxil wrote:He'll work everything out soon enough. Have faith.
137 Re: UK General Election 2019 24th December 2019, 9:10 am
Pepsi Maxil
The Grand Master
Ronnie wrote:No words....
138 Re: UK General Election 2019 24th December 2019, 10:05 am
Pepsi Maxil
The Grand Master
I hope you all have a superb Christmas!
139 Re: UK General Election 2019 25th December 2019, 1:22 am
Ludders
Mr Bean...actually very apt.
Merry Xmas!
Merry Xmas!
140 Re: UK General Election 2019 27th December 2019, 10:17 pm
Pepsi Maxil
The Grand Master
Tanmann wrote:Pepsi Maxil wrote:He'll work everything out soon enough. Have faith.
141 Re: UK General Election 2019 28th December 2019, 10:47 pm
Mott1
Not been here for a bit, just been a bit hectic lately. Merry Xmas wishes (a bit late) and Happy New Year to all hivers, old and new.
Election was a bit depressing for non-Brexiteers, not sure how it can be fought now - end result was like the 2015 GE, only more so. Corbyn really became a problem on the doorsteps and it pains me as a lib dem to say Swinson didn't connect with the public either, tho she fared better against Andrew Neil than Tim Farron did previously. Both parties have major direction changes to consider tho I think the way forward is clearly for Labour than for my lot. Question is, is it too late?
Also do we think Scotland will go independent?
Election was a bit depressing for non-Brexiteers, not sure how it can be fought now - end result was like the 2015 GE, only more so. Corbyn really became a problem on the doorsteps and it pains me as a lib dem to say Swinson didn't connect with the public either, tho she fared better against Andrew Neil than Tim Farron did previously. Both parties have major direction changes to consider tho I think the way forward is clearly for Labour than for my lot. Question is, is it too late?
Also do we think Scotland will go independent?
143 Re: UK General Election 2019 29th December 2019, 10:28 pm
Mott1
It'll be a battle, for sure.
Who's made themselves less popular today - Priti Patel with the data leak or Sir Ian Duncan Smith, as we must now address him?
Who's made themselves less popular today - Priti Patel with the data leak or Sir Ian Duncan Smith, as we must now address him?
144 Re: UK General Election 2019 3rd January 2020, 5:44 pm
Rob Filth
Mott1 wrote:Also do we think Scotland will go independent?
Not only will they go Independent but there will most likely be reunification for Northern Ireland first.
The Unionists will fucking hate it, but tough titties baby, "The Peepul haff spoh-ken!"
145 Re: UK General Election 2019 5th January 2020, 11:33 am
stengos
Northern Ireland is more likely to leave the UK. It seems to me that the creation of a border between mainland UK and Northern Ireland as part of Boris' Withdrawal Agreement will boost the support for a united Ireland as the NI economy becomes more integrated with that of the South behind the likely new EU border than mainland UK. Johnson denies this but i think he is bollocks. Either he doesn't understand his own Withdrawal Agreement or he is lying. Plus I understand demographic factors will push it that way aswell - i.e., the Catholic population eventually outweighing the Protestant.
I am not so sure about Scotland. Yes the SNP clearly won north of the border but independence wasn't the sole issue. Other factors may have played a significant role in influencing how how people voted. In a referendum its leave or stay and less about disaffection with the Tories or Labour.
Even if Scotland did leave the UK the SNP would still be bitching about whatever the settlement was for the next 300 years. More so if they insist on using sterling as their national currency and so make themselves subject to monetary policy set in Downing Street and the Bank of England.
I am not so sure about Scotland. Yes the SNP clearly won north of the border but independence wasn't the sole issue. Other factors may have played a significant role in influencing how how people voted. In a referendum its leave or stay and less about disaffection with the Tories or Labour.
Even if Scotland did leave the UK the SNP would still be bitching about whatever the settlement was for the next 300 years. More so if they insist on using sterling as their national currency and so make themselves subject to monetary policy set in Downing Street and the Bank of England.
146 Re: UK General Election 2019 7th January 2020, 3:50 am
Rob Filth
stengos wrote:Even if Scotland did leave the UK the SNP would still be bitching about whatever the settlement was for the next 300 years. More so if they insist on using sterling as their national currency and so make themselves subject to monetary policy set in Downing Street and the Bank of England.
I don't think they will, they'll probably introduce the Groat or adopt the Euro if the EU let them back in.
Admittedly any attempt to try and enforce a border in Scotland is more problematic, but I can't imagine Sturgeon being so keen to flog their NHS services off to Yank outsourced private contractors as we seem to be, nor be so keen to send their armed forces personnel off to die for American oil in the Middle East like we are.
147 Re: UK General Election 2019 16th January 2020, 8:41 pm
Tanmann
Dick Tater
A long read but a very good article on the election.
(I don't entirely agree with its glowing opinion of Corbyn or Momentum though)
https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2020/01/13/the-center-blows-itself-up-care-and-spite-in-the-brexit-election/
(I don't entirely agree with its glowing opinion of Corbyn or Momentum though)
https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2020/01/13/the-center-blows-itself-up-care-and-spite-in-the-brexit-election/
148 Re: UK General Election 2019 16th January 2020, 10:21 pm
Ludders
Thanks for that. I think it's spot on.
I wouldn't say the assessment of Corbyn is 'glowing' . It just doesn't character assassinate him; which is so unusual in itself these days that he has his own personal bit of Overton window, whereby treating him fairly has become almost unacceptable.
But that article coalesces many points together, and most notably for me being how New Labour became the party of middle-management pen pushers. Like when the NHS under Blair had more managers on the wards than bloody nurses, almost.
I wouldn't say the assessment of Corbyn is 'glowing' . It just doesn't character assassinate him; which is so unusual in itself these days that he has his own personal bit of Overton window, whereby treating him fairly has become almost unacceptable.
But that article coalesces many points together, and most notably for me being how New Labour became the party of middle-management pen pushers. Like when the NHS under Blair had more managers on the wards than bloody nurses, almost.
149 Re: UK General Election 2019 24th January 2020, 9:51 am
Tanmann
Dick Tater
Laura Pidcock's take on the election defeat is worth a read.
https://medium.com/@laura.pidcock.mp/dont-mention-the-other-b-word-3b3cca96d457
https://medium.com/@laura.pidcock.mp/dont-mention-the-other-b-word-3b3cca96d457
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