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There has never been any hope of a real continuation of the classic series because the BBC are always going to have a preference for modern populism. They don't want a niche audience.

To be honest I think this is a bit of a defeatest attitude of.

I'd argue that if RTD had actually tried to make it similar to Classic Who then it would be in a better place than it is now.

Yes RTD's era was successful initially, but to be honest it did not work as a long lasting formula.

The reason Classic Who's formula worked was because it was more basic. Just the Doctor goes on fun adventures fighting monsters. Everyone loves that, and if it had some money behind it, the stories were shorter and more digestible, then really I think it would have been okay. They could have cast a big hunk as the companion, and a babe as the sidekick and if they must have a romance between them and got the young audiences in that way, but kept the Doctor as the Doctor.

That way they could have had more variation among the companions, more variation among the Doctors.

However by deciding to make the companion the most important person in the show they dug themselves down a pit.

There is still plenty of call for adventure orientated SF. Just look at Star Wars, Guardians of the Galaxy, War of the Planet of the Apes and the recent Valerian movie. I wish they had gone down this route as it suits my tastes so I don't entirely disagree with you.

But for whatever reason, the BBC just doesn't seem to work like that. DW did become niche in the eighties, however, and the BBC wanted to distance itself because of what I can only assume is snobbery. The BBC famously didn't even want McCoy in the TVM. It was only Philip Seagal's insistence that made that happen as he wanted to produce real who and not a knock-off. I just can't see the BBC wanting to recommission the show in 2005 without modernising.

I think the RTD model did very well and would have continued to do. I don't see Moffat's era as a continuation of that, more of a corruption. I take it you disagree?

Who only became niche in the 80's because the Beeb completely and utterly sabotaged it. I somewhat agree that Moff who is a corruption of it, but I see it like this.

RTD dug the show down a pit first of all by making the companion be the most important person in the show.

In order to make the companion who is at the end of the day usually just an ordinary human more useful than the Doctor is to make her the most important person in the universe. As a result of that every year each companion has to be "more important than the last". If not they will just look lame.

Clara being rewritten into being the hero of every story ever made is the end result of Rose being Bad Wolf, Doctor Donna etc.

Also RTD made the Doctor a romantic, lovestruck, younger character which again made it harder to get out of.

He also insisted on making the companion an ordinary person so they could relate to her, which again limited the type of companion they could have. Gone were the Jamie's, Leela's, even the Brig type companions.

All of this got Doctor Who stuck in a rut where on the one hand people were bored of it, but if it broke out of that rut it wouldn't seem like DW. This is evidenced by Matt and Peter's Doctors.

Initially Moff tried to do something new with them, but after their first series he tries to bring them more in line with Tennat, even having Matt fall in love with Clara (had he not left I am 100 percent convinced that is the road they would have gone down. Just watch Hide.) And Capaldi becoming a hipster.

Of course whilst this may have hurt DW, I still think that Moff by pandering the the feminist "fans" like Whovian Feminism brought the show even closer to the brink, and Chinballs has just pushed it over the edge.

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If there really wasn't a way to make the program properly in today's world (an attitude I thoroughly disagree with anyway) then they shouldn't have brought it back at all. End of.
Either way the new show is still false advertising.

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Anyone who says RTD did anything right is mentally deluded. For fuck sake, he knew NOTHING of Who. Just read his book which includeds a blowjob scene in a taxi, in a fucking Doctor Who book!.

The man is a hack, a sharliton and frankly, appears to be obsessed with sex. Everything he has written is about sex. And not just that, taboo sex. Underage gay sex in Queer as Folk and then having a pedophile as a main character in the final series of Torchwood. Note, I'm not saying he advocates this, but I am saying he seems to have a dirty mind and cannot think of anything without bringing sex or sexuality into it. He is an incredibly limited writer because of this.

I remember one of my gay friends saying to me, the trouble with RTD is he can't write gay characters without making them want to shag everything. He can't just write them as normal everyday gay people.

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@Genkimonk wrote:I remember one of my gay friends saying to me, the trouble with RTD is he can't write gay characters without making them want to shag everything. He can't just write them as normal everyday gay people.
He can't write straight characters either for exactly the same reason.

People often criticized RTDs supposedly "gay-agenda", but they were well off the mark.

It was an agenda of promiscuity-promotion which sleazy date-rape joking Fathead had.

I think he just sees his characters as nothing more than cocks and cunts on legs.

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I can just imagine Fathead as a young student being told off by his creative writing tutor for just writing endless erotica without any narrative-structure or plot and him arguing:

"Awwwwww, but can't I just jump in with them having it straight away instead? Sigh, okay then, I guess I better give them a bit of back-story character. I know! He can be a stamp collector and she can work in a launderette! They both have this wonderful blossoming romance which elevates them from their tedious lives, and then one day, they both wake up in bed together and both realise that they're actually gay! That's it! THAT'S IT!! Fantastic! Marvellous! The world will fall at my feet..."

Does anyone remember that(I think radio) interview with both Verity Lambert and RTD together?

Every time Verity answered a question it was really interesting and insightful and each time Fathead opened his stupid gob it was so embarrassing that you could almost tell the embarrassment of Verity and the interviewer, such was the stunned silence for awkward seconds each time after he's finished twatting on.



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I sometimes feel RTD wanted to be a script writer for porno, but somewhere along the line changed to drama, but wasn't able to tell the difference between the two.

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Good God, this guy sums up my views! Especially the part about bullying at school.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXuDbRgyZSA

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http://news.sky.com/story/tuesdays-national-newspaper-front-pages-10999811

Well let's not overreact. It's the front page of Daily Mirror after all but...
BRADLEY FUCKING WALSH AS THE NEW COMPANION?!!
See at least he was funny when he did Dangerous Brian back in the 90's. Well slightly funny.
Bonnie Langford and it isn't even the 23 series of the reboot! Dear oh fucking dear!

*Posts in the knowledge that things might not be so hard when anyone reads the story. But Bradley sodding Walsh?!!

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Shit...

I just can't see that being a good thing.

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@Defeatment wrote:
See at least he was funny when he did Dangerous Brian back in the 90's. Well slightly funny.
Bonnie Langford and it isn't even the 23 series of the reboot! Dear oh fucking dear!

*Posts in the knowledge that things might not be so hard when anyone reads the story. But Bradley sodding Walsh?!!

Dangerous Brian?
Sweetheart, that was Brian Conley not Bradley Walsh.
Bradley Walsh is a manly Mike Baldwin type.


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I'm sure so many know-it-alls are going to make "Chase" jokes.

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@Clayton Dickman wrote:
@Defeatment wrote:
See at least he was funny when he did Dangerous Brian back in the 90's. Well slightly funny.
Bonnie Langford and it isn't even the 23 series of the reboot! Dear oh fucking dear!

*Posts in the knowledge that things might not be so hard when anyone reads the story. But Bradley sodding Walsh?!!

Dangerous Brian?
Sweetheart, that was Brian Conley not Bradley Walsh.
Bradley Walsh is a manly Mike Baldwin type.

I make no apologies towards knowing nothing about popular culture outside of well not even Doctor Who really as all the guest star names and production crew have blended into one blob of white text.
Right. Then I've never heard nothing Bradley Walsh apart from seeing him on that quiz show when I eat my dinner and usually switch over to Vintage TV.

Thanks very much Clayton! Although that act of kindness might unravel the fabric of this forum, at least I don't get the two confused now.
Boy, that would have been really awkward!

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Yet another lame argument from the pro female Doctor side.

What Eldrad who is of a different species to the Doctor changed gender so no that means the Doctor can?

Or is she saying because Eldrad said "you've changed your shape before so have I" that means that the Doctor changes gender?

Desperate.

NONE of them have ever been able to say why it should happen and why they want this instead of a Romana spin off.

All this shit about they want to see a female time lord, there is already one set up. All of these people like Whovian Feminism want is to take a role away from men. Whovian Feminims and the others like her are like that kid who at Christmas wants their sister or brothers toys because they assume they have to be better than the one they have.

And they are also spoiled brats who have ALWAYS got their own way far from being the poor opressed victims of the patriarchy they paint themselves as. This is why they don't want a Romana spin off, why they don't want the Rani back, they want a dickless Master instead etc.

They can dress it up in all the hollow its for representation bullshit and "ITS CANON" they want, but everybody knows it only happened because they were the usual little bullies they always are and Moffat and Chinballs were a pair of spineless self loathing fanboy hacks so they bent over backwards and said to the likes of Whovian Feminism. "See what you can fit up there".

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This would be the guy who once said that a female Doctor was a bad idea and he wouldn't want to be a parent explaining to a kid that the Doctor's lost his willy, would it? Big Grin

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Indeed, trying to make out that only 10 people hate this is laughable.

The sad fact is neither Rusty, nor Moff, nor Chinballs, nor Whovian Feminism, nor Claudia Boleyn, nor Paul Cornell, nor any of these female Doctor advocates can answer one simple question.

Why didn't Romana, or Susan or even Jenny get their own spin offs instead?

There are already THREE female counterparts to the Doctor set up, all of whom fans have expressed an interest in seeing again. And Moff is full of more shit than usual by saying "fans wouldn't know who they are" right that's why you brought back the Great Intelligence and the Silurians is it? That's why you revel in continuity porn like no other producer before you is it?

The way I see it, if you brought Romana back mainstream viewers might not know who she was, but they wouldn't care. They'd just assume she was a time lord he knew from the past, they're not idiots, they're not going to go "what is this something from the past I don't know I'M SWITCHING OFF!"

They could have at least tried to reintroduce any of these three characters (I might add even within the production team, Georgia Moffet is desperate to return, and Peter Capaldi REALLY wanted to see Susan again) Then they could have given them their own show (We'd ALL have preferred that to Class, a racist, third rate Buffy clone.)

However again the reason they didn't do that was because this was never about representation. It was about taking a role away from men, and that's why most people fucking hate it. Further proof of that is that in most places the first thing the people who wanted it to happen did was just gloat about it to the people who didn't want it. Its the most spiteful development in the history of DW.

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Reminds me a bit of that line Micheal Grade had in Room 101

"The same three people writing thousands of letters in to the BBC"

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Indeed, and it comes from the same place - an absolute contempt and hatred for the plebs, ie the regular fans.

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@iank wrote:Indeed, and it comes from the same place - an absolute contempt and hatred for the plebs, ie the regular fans.

Not surprising from the man who called the fans Ming Mongs. Its even more hilarious when you remember all the PC shit he revelled in like calling Primeval racist for not having enough black people in it LOL

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"I don't do stunt casting" is my favorite.

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Why does he assume that all of these people who hate a gender balanced writing team are white and men? How is that not racist? Assigning what you believe is a negative characteristic to a group of people based on their skin colour? Yep definition of fucking racism.

"God damn typical of black males who think everything belongs to them." See how racist that is?

Also whilst I don't condone doxxing, a couple of things the maker of this third rate crap cartoon needs to take into account.

1/ Trolling and doxxing happens from all sides. Here take a look at Laci Green being doxxed by feminists for dating an anti feminist in her private life.



2/ He DOES deserve to be slagged for his stupid gender balanced writing room. Hire people based on their ideas, not their genitals. You'll inevitably end up leaving the best people out.



This is what his writing room must look like.

3/ If there is ONE group of fans who think they own the franchises they are "fans" of, and who want to take something over its the fucking Feminist, SJW fans. They are the ones who have already taken over and sunk Doctor Who, Marvel, DC and the Ghostbusters franchise.

As loathsome as they are, are these sexist fans actually going to go to a female dominated series like say Jessica Jones, Sleepy Hollow, Once Upon A Time, I Zombie and bitch about how sexist they are simply for starring women and bully the makers into replacing all of the female leads with men?

Nope, but the feminist fans have done that to the biggest sci fi and fantasy franchises that star men. Even then Doctor Who aside, I actually don't care if there is a female lead in Star Wars (the Doctor is a special case as they are all meant to be one person.) Bu even that wasn't enough for these "progressives. They have also managed to actually get actively anti male and anti white remarks and characters put in all of these things as well!

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That reliable Mirror newspaper has information about the new series that reads like the echo chamber of Online rumours!
Stripped back to ten episodes (S26 had 14!) new design of the TARDIS and a return to historicals.
Because it's not enough The Doctor can now tell everyone how he used to be a man but is now a lady, we can now go to any period in the past or future to tell them The Doctor used to be a man but is now a lady.

At least it's not mentioned what I always thought was BS about the series being a single ten episode story.
I love the third series of LEXX more than anyone on this site, but I don't think Doctor Who could pull that off.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/changes-new-dr-who-series-11309547

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I don't care, I won't be watching this parodic travesty.

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It will vibrate.

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