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1 It begins on Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:10 am

See what happens when you cast a female Doctor. I knew the press would do shit like this.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz-tv/hot-tv/632867/female-dr-Doctor-Who-bisexual-lesbian-gay-affair-Jodie-Whittaker-Pearl-Mackie

Being they Daily Star, I would take it with a shovel of salt, but still wouldnt put it past Chinballs.

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2 Re: It begins on Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:37 am

@Genkimonk wrote:Being they Daily Star, I would take it with a shovel of salt, but still wouldnt put it past Chinballs.

Neither would I.

Chinballs makes even Fathead RTD look like Charles Dickens or Harold Pinter by comparison.

It's going to be utter moronic shite and all those shouting down those who aren't keen on the idea as being "sexists" and "Misogynists" are going to have a rude awakening when they find out this isn't the great strike for gender-equality they seem to fantasise it as being, but just an excuse for cheap publicity and tabloid tittle-tattle like this and innuendo-strewn lazy hack writing.

Misandrist fucking morons.

Way to go to get a 50 year show to jump the shark.

The last time Doctor Who became embroiled within BBC internal politics(which this feels VERY MUCH like) - the show was cancelled.

Slow hand clap for the fucking idiots who can't distinguish between regeneration and a sex change operation.

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3 Re: It begins on Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:43 am

Shame the last thread on this disappeared.

Was there any reason for this?

Although it descended into a dual-feud there was still some interesting things and links on there.

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4 Re: It begins on Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:07 am

Yeh, I was wondering that.

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5 Re: It begins on Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:50 am

A group of friends stated yesterday that it was unbelievable anyone wouldn't want the Doctor to turn female, saying it had happened to a timelord /lady in Hell Bent - who can argue against that brilliance?

Oddly though they did agree with me that the timing of the announcement, just before the inevitable gender pay gap backlash, was cynical!


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6 Re: It begins on Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:41 am

@Mott1 wrote:A group of friends stated yesterday that it was unbelievable anyone wouldn't want the Doctor to turn female, saying it had happened to a timelord /lady in Hell Bent - who can argue against that brilliance?
Yeah, I've seen loads of people say that, you can tell none of them ever watched the Classic Series.

Like three years retconning can wipe out a 50 year established history.

Some of the idiots are even claiming that Sydney Newman proposed the notion from "day one", ha ha ha. Like they even knew it was going to go past the original 13 week run and last 50 years!

Many of them also claiming that the Doctor is "a shapeshifter" too to justify this americanised carbon copy Buffy-cloned unoriginal desperation.

These misandrous retconners are so funny with their fictional revisionisms.

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7 Re: It begins on Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:01 am

@Rob Filth wrote:Like three years retconning can wipe out a 50 year established history.

No Timelord ever saying that it couldn't happen and the fact it didn't happen onscreen isn't quite the same as it having been established for fifty years previously but let's say you are right.

The retconning of the Doctor's backstory about running away from Gallifrey because he was bored with the guff that was present in Hell Bent was a significantly worse retcon. It directly overwrote what had gone before with a load of fairytale guff, why? Because Moff was the man with the pen and he could. That was sheer ego.

But ignoring narrative reasons, should the casting of a 21st century TV show be governed by the dominant ideology of the sixties, seventies and eighties?

Moffat has driven away a fair few fans and Capaldi (who I like) has not been for everybody. DW is no longer the commercial juggernaut it once was under RTD. The Doctor Who Experience in Cardiff is closing which further emphasises that. It's because of the ground work that RTD laid that DW took off in America and Moffat got to reap the rewards but I don't credit it to him.

The circulation of DWM has halved since about 2014. The audience share is down 5% from the Matt Smith era and the number of people watching on catch up is down 5%. The AIs have been falling from series 8 onwards. The ratings aren't bad and these drops may not be problematic but the BBC would want one of their best performing shows to be as successful as possible, especially with the battering they get from the papers and the government. The show does need rejuvenating.

JW's casting could have a positive effect. Retconning the Doctor's backstory is just an ego boost for Mofftwat.

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8 Re: It begins on Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:04 am

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@Rob Filth wrote:Shame the last thread on this disappeared.

Was there any reason for this?

Although it descended into a dual-feud there was still some interesting things and links on there.

I didn't even notice it was gone. I got notifications of 3 or 4 posts being reported but they were already removed from the control panel by the time I went to check them out.

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9 Re: It begins on Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:46 pm

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@Rob Filth wrote:Shame the last thread on this disappeared.

Was there any reason for this?

Although it descended into a dual-feud there was still some interesting things and links on there.

I didn't even notice it was gone. I got notifications of 3 or 4 posts being reported but they were already removed from the control panel by the time I went to check them out.

I have no idea what happened.

But there is an angry, frothing-at-the-mouth vegetable member who makes spurious legal threats that may account to a tort of harassment, especially if they continue with their failing intimidation tactics via PM.

This vile member posts among us.

It might be wise for them to desist, but I doubt their fragile little ego and pathological obsession with twisting the truth will allow them to.


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10 Re: It begins on Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:55 pm

@Mr. Happy wrote:
@Rob Filth wrote:Like three years retconning can wipe out a 50 year established history.

No Timelord ever saying that it couldn't happen and the fact it didn't happen onscreen isn't quite the same as it having been established for fifty years previously but let's say you are right.

Time Lord society had always been presented as a binary-gender one rather than completely gender-neutral, every single regeneration presented or referenced had retained gender-control, even the projected future ones of Romana or ones presented by the Time Lords to the Doctor at the end of "The War Games" - all of Morbius's (presented to make us think they were The Doctors) were all male too.  

NuWho first started revising the concept of regeneration as early back as when Eccleston changed, "I could come back with two heads or no head at all, how about that?"

@Mr. Happy wrote:But ignoring narrative reasons, should the casting of a 21st century TV show be governed by the dominant ideology of the sixties, seventies and eighties?

No one is suggesting it should, I have no problem with transgender or gay couple/relationships being presented within the programme, just with the retconning of what was once a main event - cheapened into a victorian freak-show curiosity and cynical grab at an audience via stunt casting.

@Mr. Happy wrote:Moffat has driven away a fair few fans and Capaldi (who I like) has not been for everybody. DW is no longer the commercial juggernaut it once was under RTD. The Doctor Who Experience in Cardiff is closing which further emphasises that. It's because of the ground work that RTD laid that DW took off in America and Moffat got to reap the rewards but I don't credit it to him.

The circulation of DWM has halved since about 2014. The audience share is down 5% from the Matt Smith era and the number of people watching on catch up is down 5%. The AIs have been falling from series 8 onwards. The ratings aren't bad and these drops may not be problematic but the BBC would want one of their best performing shows to be as successful as possible, especially with the battering they get from the papers and the government. The show does need rejuvenating.

I agree, but cheap stunt casting and deliberate repeated kicking of sacred cows is not the way to effectively do it, the scripting will still be third rate hack for the most part.

@Mr. Happy wrote:JW's casting could have a positive effect.
Much as I dislike the casting, initially I believe it will return the audience levels to 8-9m for the first few episodes purely down to the curiosity factor - however I doubt this will sustain given who is running riot with all of this, and once the audience realise it's the same old same old badly scripted rubbish and tunes into the next shallow hype to hijack their interest, all it leaves behind is a bitterly divided fandom.



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11 Re: It begins on Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:18 pm

I think it's Gomez just shit stirring. An actress who's left the show somehow has access to the plans for the next series?
Nah, I call bullshit on this.

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12 Re: It begins on Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:42 pm

@Defeatment wrote:I think it's Gomez just shit stirring. An actress who's left the show somehow has access to the plans for the next series?
Nah, I call bullshit on this.

This was my first and only thought on the matter.

A lot of fans are in a heightened state of sensitivity right now. Not that I'm blaming them, but it does make them rather vulnerable to stories like this, which are, basically, in a newspaper made for virgins, (as this is the sort of thing that might get a teenage boy going after downing a Monster and eating a Gregg's slice).

Remember, this is the paper which needs to explain what the most common type of vagina (actually vulva) looks like to it's readership, which is probably because most of them have never seen one outside a Bangbros video. Except, perhaps, from their cousins.


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13 Re: It begins on Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:49 pm

@Defeatment wrote:I think it's Gomez just shit stirring. An actress who's left the show somehow has access to the plans for the next series?
Nah, I call bullshit on this.

But she's...Ducktah Huuuuuuuuuuuu!(dabs the air like a moron)

Thas what he calls himself......Ducktah Huuuuuuuuuuuu!

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14 Re: It begins on Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:19 pm

Probably just shit stirring.

The article said they wanted a male companion but were stopped short of doing a full switch.

And the production team know what fandom are like.

She may have some vague idea of what is going to happen - Who is a close and friendly group - but I did not get the feeling she was saying 'you are getting lesbians'.

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15 Re: It begins on Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:18 pm

@Raku wrote:She may have some vague idea of what is going to happen - Who is a close and friendly group - but I did not get the feeling she was saying 'you are getting lesbians'.


Doctor Who going for a full-on Buffy-clone with Who trappings such as The TARDIS and monsters littered around for decoration makes a lot more sense and EXACTLY what RTD's finest protégé would do rather than a complete gender-reversal dynamic between Doctor and companion however.

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16 Re: It begins on Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:47 pm

@Rob Filth wrote:Doctor Who going for a full-on Buffy-clone with Who trappings such as The TARDIS and monsters littered around for decoration makes a lot more sense and EXACTLY what RTD's finest protégé would do rather than a complete gender-reversal dynamic between Doctor and companion however.

You are not wrong.

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17 Re: It begins on Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:37 pm

I can just imagine after Capaldi regenerates into Whittaker, Bill's first words are "Doctor! Ah yeah! I think I fancy you rotten now Doctor!" Then she goes to grope her while crap comedic brass band music of Murray Gold is played in the background. Throughout the new series The Doctor and Bill form a lesbian relationship and walk around holding hands while fighting the forces of evil in the universe. This wouldn't surprise me if this happened considering it's Chinball who is the new boss.

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19 Re: It begins on Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:54 am


Sigh....this is what happens when you give the dumb thicko tabloid media the titillation they've been braying for for over the last 35 years...

Was this EVER a consideration for Romana?

Much as I despised it at the time, Marc Platt's loom-nonsense is now looking positively desirable...

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20 Re: It begins on Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:51 am

A nice way of doing a female Doctor Who would have been a straight up swap between Romana and the Doctor. Don't know how you'd do that, mind. But a situation where the Doctor ends up as Lord President/on vacation and Romana assuming the responsibilities and the 'name' of The Doctor would have got my vote.

Or maybe the Doctor goes missing, and Romana goes on a 2 season quest to find him, having cool fucking adventures along the way?

Moot point though really, isn't it!


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21 Re: It begins on Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:58 am

@Boofer wrote:A nice way of doing a female Doctor Who would have been a straight up swap between Romana and the Doctor. Don't know how you'd do that, mind. But a situation where the Doctor ends up as Lord President/on vacation and Romana assuming the responsibilities and the 'name' of The Doctor would have got my vote.

Or maybe the Doctor goes missing, and Romana goes on a 2 season quest to find him, having cool fucking adventures along the way?

Moot point though really, isn't it!

Now those ideas I can get on board with, it's been the gradual erosion and cheapening of the concept of regeneration I object most strongly to with Jodie Whittaker's casting, it's just a sop to every single right-wing tabloid journalist who enjoys ripping the outright fucking piss out of the show...

Now they've made regeneration gender-neutral it completely takes the fucking piss out of and undermines transgender people and the often very very long painful or torturous processes they can go through, both mentally, physically, emotionally and socially and presents them instead as being some kind of fucking trivial novelty parlour party-trick performed for titillation instead.

I am utterly disgusted with the NuWho production team to be honest.

This is not political correctness or social justice warrioring as the right wing idiots denounce this as, it is unfortunately far, far, far from it.

It's a Sun journalists greatest gift and dream.

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22 Re: It begins on Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:28 am

Now they've made regeneration gender-neutral it completely takes the fucking piss out of and undermines transgender people and the often very very long painful or torturous processes they can go through, both mentally, physically, emotionally and socially and presents them instead as being some kind of fucking trivial novelty parlour party-trick performed for titillation instead.

Agreed, I've been saying that for years.

There are only two ways you can have a character change gender and it works.

Write them as being like a real life trans person, IE someone who wants to change gender or write them as a genuinely genderless being.

Nobody has a problem with either of those options. Obviously nobody here has a problem with a trans person on tv, and ironically there have been plenty of examples of aliens being gender neutral and nobody caring. Eldrad from The Hand of Fear springs to mind, and again obviously Brainiac from Smallville too.

However neither of these options are right for the Doctor or any timelord character as none of them have been written as genderless, and none of the established time lord characters like Romana, The Doctor, The Master, Susan etc want to change gender.

Ironically by stupidly rewriting ALL time lords to be non binary then they have prevented themselves from ever being able to have a genuine trans time lord. Instead time lords are like this bit from Futurama where the characters genders are switched against their will for the sake of some jokes about the genders.



What's the difference between those two scenes?

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23 Re: It begins on Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:22 pm

@Rob Filth wrote:Shame the last thread on this disappeared.

Was there any reason for this?

Although it descended into a dual-feud there was still some interesting things and links on there.

Yes, Mike used his mod privileges to dox me, panicked when I told him he'd breached data protection law, and deleted the thread to cover his arse.

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24 Re: It begins on Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:14 pm

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@Rob Filth wrote:Shame the last thread on this disappeared.

Was there any reason for this?

Although it descended into a dual-feud there was still some interesting things and links on there.

Yes, Mike used his mod privileges to dox me, panicked when I told him he'd breached data protection law, and deleted the thread to cover his arse.

No he didn't.

You clearly have no notion of what doxing is. He disclosed a small fraction of an anonymous email pseudonym. This is a matter of fact. It would have been impossible for anyone to infer your identity i.e. your email address and/or name, from the information given.

You then bullied and harassed Mike over the PM system, even after he expressed contrition for upsetting you.

He acted properly and withdrew the comment, and you piled on on him with your pathetic threats to report him to the ICO.

Well, good job I contacted the ICO on Mike's behalf, isn't it?  Wink  The lady on the phone (0303 123 1113) told me "It is not a matter that would concern us."

You obviously have issues if you feel you need to harass other posters over imaginary infractions of the law.

Keep harassing Mike and see where it gets you mate Wink

Protection from Harassment Act 1997 wrote:2 Offence of harassment

(1) A person who pursues a course of conduct in breach of section 1 is guilty of an offence.

(2) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or both....

In retrospect, your pathetic, rage-fueled attempts to intimidate Mike (you failed, btw) seem not unlike that of a man lost in a rainforest, desperately trying to create an inferno out of a few wet twigs and a solitary Swan Vesta in a downpour. LOL


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25 Re: It begins on Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:07 pm

Poor Ken Bones - such a distinguished actor and given so much to work with in the underrated Atlantis. I wonder what he felt when he read what would happen to the General upon his return to Nu Who.


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