Series 10

Seems strange [overdue?] to say it, but...that's it. The Moffat era is over. Filming concluded yesterday. Eccelston even sent them a video message

https://twitter.com/edwardrussell/status/883649021574864896


https://www.instagram.com/p/BWQ6ip9Ftkg/



Ed Russel has good taste.

Happy days are here again!

http://hiddenremote.com/2017/07/12/peter-capaldis-final-days-filming-doctor-overshadowed-dwsr/

Peter Capaldi’s final days of filming ‘Doctor Who’ overshadowed by #DWSR

"Overshadowed"... for a tiny minority.

Hope The Ballchinian bans them and has anyone who attempts take pictures escorted away from filming.

It was a Facebook video but the message was "Meet the 13th Doctor after the Wimbledon's Men's Final 16th of July".
Just thought you'd like to know.

Edit: Pipped at the fucking post!

Rawkuss wrote:http://hiddenremote.com/2017/07/12/peter-capaldis-final-days-filming-doctor-overshadowed-dwsr/

Peter Capaldi’s final days of filming ‘Doctor Who’ overshadowed by #DWSR

God, there really are some entitled people.

New monsters for the Christmas special

http://ew.com/tv/2017/07/15/doctor-who-christmas-special-steven-moffat/

"But what’s fascinating is the First Doctor confronting the superhero he’s going to become, with his supersize TARDIS and all that.”

I think we all know where this is leading...

Oh dear God, kill me now.

Hollyoaks actor playing a recast Ben

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/doctor-who/news/a836293/hollyoaks-jared-garfield-ben-jackson-doctor-who-christmas/

I just rewatched most of Twice Upon A Time to see whether a respectable fan edit could be salvaged from the wreckage. I could quite easily do it, but I decided it wasn't worth the effort. Simply having the Doctor's death at the end of the Series 10 finale remain permanent makes for a much more fitting conclusion to the NuWho timeline, and most importantly, one that firmly negates the existence of the Chibnall/Whittaker travesty. Will be posting an edit of that final scene sometime soon.

I also noticed an unforgivably lazy plothole I haven't seen discussed anywhere else, likely because no one intelligent enough to notice gave a shit by that point. Namely, the Testimony version of Bill couldn't possibly have known that she'd been saved by Heather. It's supposed to be a snapshot of the human/Cyberman version of her a few seconds before death, and there's absolutely no way she saw Heather until after she'd become a liquid entity - a living being Testimony would have no reason to extract memories from. Clearly, Moffat was so busy virtue signalling that he couldn't even be arsed to maintain basic continuity from one episode to the next, or to seize the golden opportunity for character development this scenario presented to anyone actually interested in telling a good story. We could have seen a jaded snapshot of Bill who believed she'd died a horrific death, tragically unaware that her true self was still out there having the time of her life. But no, Moffat had better things to do, like needlessly desecrating the memory of those to whom he owes his entire fucking career.

What an utter prick. I still hate what Chibnall has done to the franchise much more, but at least he genuinely is that talentless. Moffat is arguably more contemptible in that he's still capable of producing truly excellent work, but he's so pathetically craven and insecure that he'd rather throw his own characters and plotlines under the bus than face a little criticism from some screeching, narcissistic brats who are always going to hate him no matter how hard he tries to impress them. What a dismal end to what could have been an incredible creative legacy. I wonder if he regrets it on any level.

For me if there's a potentially great last hurrah the series should've finished on wile it was 'ahead', it's The Five Doctors, easily.

In regards Moffat and wasted talents, I think it depends on how talented you hold he really was. To my mind he was a very talented *guest writer* but a bloody appalling *showrunner*, who as it turned out was never anywhere near as clever as we thought, and was only as good a writer as the number of people around him prepared to challenge and say 'no' to some of his worse ideas.

Then again I'll admit I didn't see Series 10 on broadcast and haven't since, so maybe after 7 years in the job, he finally learned how to do a season arc right, but I never got to see it.

I really do suspect though that early on, a lot of his daftest ides were purely from him listening to what his young son wanted to see in the show, and him thinking "well if it's from the mouth of babes, it's bound to be a hit with all the kids". So we'd get flying Sharks, River Song trying to kill Hitler, the Statue of Liberty turned Weeping Angel, the incoherent action set-pieces of AGMGTW, the utter shite that was The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe.

And sure, kids do have a wild imagination and do like to imagine all kinds of possibilities in the show that would look 'cool', but often wanting is better than having, and the fact the show usually takes itself a bit more seriously and is a bit more challenging is usually what gives kids anticipation and *reverence* for the show that it'd lose if it became too quickly wicky-wacky as they want.

And in any case, a show that does all those wild ideas is very quickly going to push itself into burnout, especially if it keeps riding roughshod over the serious business of showing how Amy and Rory are meant to actually cope emotionally with everything the Silence put them through. At least enough to keep their reactions believable but he couldn't even manage that.

I think it was sadly an easy transition from him thinking "what would make the kids' happy?", to "what would make the infantile SJWs happy?", and the results (female Master, angry feminist Clara) were intolerable.

ClockworkOcean wrote:I just rewatched most of Twice Upon A Time to see whether a respectable fan edit could be salvaged from the wreckage. I could quite easily do it, but I decided it wasn't worth the effort. Simply having the Doctor's death at the end of the Series 10 finale remain permanent makes for a much more fitting conclusion to the NuWho timeline, and most importantly, one that firmly negates the existence of the Chibnall/Whittaker travesty. Will be posting an edit of that final scene sometime soon.

I also noticed an unforgivably lazy plothole I haven't seen discussed anywhere else, likely because no one intelligent enough to notice gave a shit by that point. Namely, the Testimony version of Bill couldn't possibly have known that she'd been saved by Heather. It's supposed to be a snapshot of the human/Cyberman version of her a few seconds before death, and there's absolutely no way she saw Heather until after she'd become a liquid entity - a living being Testimony would have no reason to extract memories from. Clearly, Moffat was so busy virtue signalling that he couldn't even be arsed to maintain basic continuity from one episode to the next, or to seize the golden opportunity for character development this scenario presented to anyone actually interested in telling a good story. We could have seen a jaded snapshot of Bill who believed she'd died a horrific death, tragically unaware that her true self was still out there having the time of her life. But no, Moffat had better things to do, like needlessly desecrating the memory of those to whom he owes his entire fucking career.

What an utter prick. I still hate what Chibnall has done to the franchise much more, but at least he genuinely is that talentless. Moffat is arguably more contemptible in that he's still capable of producing truly excellent work, but he's so pathetically craven and insecure that he'd rather throw his own characters and plotlines under the bus than face a little criticism from some screeching, narcissistic brats who are always going to hate him no matter how hard he tries to impress them. What a dismal end to what could have been an incredible creative legacy. I wonder if he regrets it on any level.

He should regret everything he did with the show more or less after casting Capaldi in 2013.

I still say he should apologise for Missy. Until he does that I will always regard him as the biggest cunt in DW history.

I'm certainly not suggesting that Series 10 is any kind of triumphant, dignified end - just an almost bearable one, the last point before things got so bad that even a return to form comparable in quality to the Hinchcliffe era wouldn't be enough to save the show without some drastic retconning. Towards the end of the finale, the Doctor dies, sacrificing his life to save a group of Mondassian colonists from the Cybermen. Though he appears to wake up and start regenerating in the last three minutes of the episode, this could easily be edited out, or even just dismissed as an illusion produced by his dying mind. It's far from the ideal conclusion, but it works, and I can live with it. It's such an obvious headcanon jumping off point for real fans that I suspect the coward may have included it out of a repressed sense of guilt over what was about to happen.

As for Series 10 overall? It's far from great, but it's a definite step up from Series 9, for several reasons. Clara is finally gone, so we see the welcome return to a more traditional, mentoring Doctor/companion relationship. Capaldi is given the opportunity to play the character as a wise, level-headed moral authority figure rather than the unhinged, reckless maniac we saw in 2015. There are some surprisingly decent self-contained sci-fi stories in the first half, though it rapidly loses steam halfway through. Even the SJW pandering (at least the anti-male aspect of it) is less overt than in Series 9, mostly coming down to a few slightly irritating lines of dialogue here and there. It's probably Capaldi's least terrible series, though that's not saying much.

I enjoyed the TARDIS trio. I was expecting to dislike Matt Lucas actually but he surprised me a lot. I'd rather have him return than put up with perhaps the most banal quadruple in the history of television for yet another series.

I'd agree with that.

ClockworkOcean wrote:I'm certainly not suggesting that Series 10 is any kind of triumphant, dignified end - just an almost bearable one, the last point before things got so bad that even a return to form comparable in quality to the Hinchcliffe era wouldn't be enough to save the show without some drastic retconning.

If there's one thing that might save the show, it's if they finally give the majority of fans what they want, and give McGann a full prequel series (or at least a trial run of one). We're at a point now where new series fans want that just as much as we do.

I think the show might still face cancellation soon over ratings, but at least if it ends on that note, with the 8th Doctor's greatest stakes in the war about to come, it'll be a nice reminder of the show's prime years, and give those younger fans a reason to care again. And maybe in the subsequent hiatus, the Jodie era (which can be best thought of as having someone's overprotective middle-aged mom decide to tag along on the adventure) can be forgotten.

As for Series 10 overall? It's far from great, but it's a definite step up from Series 9, for several reasons. Clara is finally gone, so we see the welcome return to a more traditional, mentoring Doctor/companion relationship.

Ironic, as that was why originally Clara herself seemed a welcome breath of fresh air to me when she first joined. It felt a relief that we could say goodbye to the Ponds soap opera and finally get back to the adventure again. And for a brief time in Series 7 I think we did.

Such a pity Clara turned into an absolute nightmare in Series 8.

Capaldi is given the opportunity to play the character as a wise, level-headed moral authority figure rather than the unhinged, reckless maniac we saw in 2015.

I probably do need to check out Series 10 then. I found much of Capaldi's characterization for his first two years very messy, mean-spirited and off-putting, even as I knew there was potential for him to have been a brilliant Doctor.

Sounds like Series 10 is closer to the Capaldi I wanted.

There are some surprisingly decent self-contained sci-fi stories in the first half, though it rapidly loses steam halfway through.

That's typical Moffat I guess.

Even the SJW pandering (at least the anti-male aspect of it) is less overt than in Series 9, mostly coming down to a few slightly irritating lines of dialogue here and there.

Hell Bent and Husbands of River Song were the nadir of that misandry for me. I suppose they'd be hard to top.