Series 11

CDR Maxil wrote:Wow, did they actually? That's really pathetic. They're basically sticking their fingers into their ears and saying "lalalalalala" over and over again when someone questions their flawed decision making.

Yup. Several of my comments that I left on Jodie's reveal trailer on Youtube at the time of it's upload date just mysteriously vanished, even though there was absolutely nothing remotely offensive or insulting in any of those posts. It wasn't just me either. There were dozens of users in the comments calling the BBC out for abusing their power and unfairly removing completely harmless posts purely because they didn't fit in with their agenda.  

I had never been so ashamed in my life of being a Doctor Who fan before then.

Every fan who dislikes series 11 will be called sexist, misogynist, stupid... the shaming tactics will be appalling. Officially the series will be called a success even if only 2 million watch it after the novelty wears off. Ironically, I think the only people who criticise the show who'll be listened to now will be casual viewers, not fans. And even they will be ignored at first.

At the end of the day, it's even more binary than that. If the numbers are ever too low to justify the expense, it goes back off the air again regardless of who's in it and what's being said by anyone.

An interesting thread on Gallifrey Reddit debating on whether or not an American should ever be cast in the role of the Doctor:

https://www.reddit.com/r/gallifrey/comments/93ihfi/your_thoughts_north_american_doctor/

Unsurprisingly, most of the arguments against an American Doctor are extremely weak.

lol I'd rather have had an American Doctor than a castrated one.

iank wrote:lol I'd rather have had an American Doctor than a castrated one.

Indeed Bruce Campbell, Jon Glover and Kelsey Grammer would have been far better Doctors than Bubble from Ab Fab

iank wrote:lol I'd rather have had an American Doctor than a castrated one.

Dawww it makes me pleased to see this, but in all fairness, I think an Irish and an Aussie Doctor should be before an American one. Now, an American full-time companion, I'm ready for

I hate this precious little "don't let the Americans get hold of DW" that stupid New Who fans always come out with.

Leaving aside the fact that ironically it comes over from racist. I can understand not wanting a British icon to fall into anyone else's hands, but these fans ironically often make out its because Americans are too stupid to understand what makes DW work. Oh the irony!

On top of that how could the yanks do a worse job than the British have done for the past 15 years? What is there left for the Americans to destroy?

I'd much rather Leonard Nimoy got it in the 90s than the wanker who wrote a DW book with a blowjob scene in it. Yeah he was a much more suitable choice than Mr Spock.

Filming just wrapped on Season 11, apparently. I don't know if it includes the Christmas Special. Probably not?

https://io9.gizmodo.com/a-long-absent-american-horror-story-star-will-return-fo-1828118312

Actually, from what I remember about the making of the 1996 TV Movie in the US, the people making it (sure, a lot of British people and executive producer Philip Segal was born and grew up in the UK) were highly resistant to and continually batting off attempts to reboot the show and delete continuity to the original series.

Hence that's why we got Sylvester McCoy and a regeneration among other things. Obviously, they weren't completely successful in all areas but at least they knew the original show and went in with the intention of keeping it in continuity.

Also, we got Paul McGann out of it and having him in the role (and what he did next) can't be overstated.

I've always found the faux outrage at the prospect of an American Doctor to be absolutely retarded, personally. Seriously, there's nothing particularly "British" about Doctor Who other than the fact that 90% of the stories on Earth take place in the UK and every single incarnation of the Doctor speaks with a British accent. That's about as far as the "Britishness" goes really.

Would making the Doctor speak with an American accent REALLY be that destructive to the show's dynamic and the Doctor's overall character? I think not. By placing such arbitrary restrictions on your main character you're potentially missing out on A LOT of amazing actors that would really fucking nail the part superbly.

I won't deny that my wish list for this Doctor was the following:

1. Ruth Wilson
2. Tatiana Masalany
3. Hayley Atwell
4. Gillian Anderson

But, I know the audience probably isn't quite ready for a Canadian in the role just yet. Would have been great with Tatiana as the Doctor, the Master, and all the companions.

Number one choice was still Ruth Wilson as Alice Morgan as the Doctor, though.

You never know, she might be up for it.

shan164 wrote:Actually, from what I remember about the making of the 1996 TV Movie in the US, the people making it (sure, a lot of British people and executive producer Philip Segal was born and grew up in the UK) were highly resistant to and continually batting off attempts to reboot the show and delete continuity to the original series.

Hence that's why we got Sylvester McCoy and a regeneration among other things. Obviously, they weren't completely successful in all areas but at least they knew the original show and went in with the intention of keeping it in continuity.

Also, we got Paul McGann out of it and having him in the role (and what he did next) can't be overstated.

McGann is overrated IMO, but even then had the Americans rebooted the show I wouldn't care. If its a remake let it be as shit as it wants, its not connected to the original.

If RTD's version had been a remake and Eccelston had been Doctor no 1 I wouldn't be angry at New Who at all. I'd still prefer a more faithful sequel, but who cares? It wouldn't actually be Hartnell and Delgado inspiring hot lesbo porn.

I'm with DeadMan. The guy is from a different planet, not Manchester or Glasgow. An American playing the Doctor wouldn't be a problem at all. Jim Carrey would have been just perfect for the TV movie.

The attitude makes no sense. It's a holdover from the 80s, when American TV was seen as garbage. Not only has US TV been pwning UK TV since the 90s, but New Who has from the start been the epitome of the crass, dumbed down "Americanised" style older fans used to be afraid of happening if it had happened back in the day. It's already happened, and to the nth degree. What more could even a clueless American exec do to the series or character that the self-loathing British fanboy hacks haven't already?

shan164 wrote:I won't deny that my wish list for this Doctor was the following:

1. Ruth Wilson
2. Tatiana Masalany
3. Hayley Atwell
4. Gillian Anderson

But, I know the audience probably isn't quite ready for a Canadian in the role just yet. Would have been great with Tatiana as the Doctor, the Master, and all the companions.

Number one choice was still Ruth Wilson as Alice Morgan as the Doctor, though.

You never know, she might be up for it.

I'm sorry but she sounds like another dumb, entitled loser who knows fuck all about the character or show to me. "It's time". There is no justification for castrating male characters whatsobloodyever, and I'm sick of this shit. "It's time" is not a fucking argument, it's a statement of mental retardation and complete disregard for the series and character.

I just asked a question, I suspect she's just being diplomatic. I also suspect she'll never actually play the part if I had to bet on it.

(edit: Actually, since I'm the one who asked the question, you should blame me. I started it.)

CDR Maxil wrote:I'm with DeadMan. The guy is from a different planet, not Manchester or Glasgow. An American playing the Doctor wouldn't be a problem at all. Jim Carrey would have been just perfect for the TV movie.

"Both Fox and Univeral Studios wanted a huge name to play The Eighth Doctor in the movie, to ensure a huge ratings success. The studios three top choices were Tom Hanks, Harrison Ford and Jim Carrey, all three of whom turned it down. Hanks, who is a fan of the classic series, turned down the role as he felt an American playing the role would not do the show's legacy any justice. Ford turned down the role as he didn't want to work in television. Carrey, who has never seen a single episode of Doctor Who, turned down the role as he felt it would cause outrage amongst Doctor Who fans if the role was played by someone who wasn't a fan of the classic series."

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116118/trivia

shan164 wrote:I just asked a question, I suspect she's just being diplomatic. I also suspect she'll never actually play the part if I had to bet on it.

(edit: Actually, since I'm the one who asked the question, you should blame me. I started it.)

I know, I wasn't having a go at you, I just hate that shit. It's so simple minded and utterly meaningless.

iank wrote:

shan164 wrote:I just asked a question, I suspect she's just being diplomatic. I also suspect she'll never actually play the part if I had to bet on it.

(edit: Actually, since I'm the one who asked the question, you should blame me. I started it.)

I know, I wasn't having a go at you, I just hate that shit. It's so simple minded and utterly meaningless.

I know. I'm not here to cause trouble either. I will also admit I was looking for an excuse to post that screenshot as well.

IMO we need to get a macho, tough guy to play Doctor no 9. (When New Who has been cancelled and they decide to reboot it from the 9th Doctor on.)

I'm not talking about a big action star or anything, but a guy who is as tough as an old turkey, likes a good old, Sherlock Holmes style bout of fisti cuffs, like Hartnell, Pertwee, or either of the Bakers etc.

As much as I like McCoy and Troughton I wouldn't go for that type right away.

An actor like Robert Carlyle for instance smacking people about with his stick would be perfect (he did express interest in the role back in 2009.)

That would get us away from the soyboy Doctors like David Tennant, and Peter Capaldi, always blubbing, being saved by their companions, hugging and snogging the Master (even after he/she does utterly unforgivable things like torture his friends like John Barrowman, torture Martha's family, zap Ingrid Oliver, and slaughter billions of men, women and children and infants!)

A tough guy Doctor would re-establish that don't worry this is a strong character to mainstream audiences, and would instantly get rid of the Claudia Boleyn's and Whovian Feminism's and the Five Who Fans and the Mr Tardis side of fandom, none of whom can stand a strong male character.

Also get a big sexy companions with major jugs, major, major, major jugs as the companion just to scare off any further feminists and then DW is saved.

Oh and ban anyone associated with the Fitzroy tavern crowd from having any involvement whatsoever with DW ever again. Except for Nicholas Pegg. Make him script editor just to stick it to BBC worldwide

Just take a look at his face there. That's meant to be William Hartnell

Also look at the comments.

How much did the Doctor cry? Enough to water a Rose, fill two Ponds, and a River.

Is it any wonder when the character was emasculated to that extent that they were eventually able to go through with an actual castration? It was inevitable.

I'd oppose an American Doctor for a similar reason to that of a female Doctor - inconsistency.

If he's retained a British accent through thirteen plus incarnations there's presumably an in-universe reason for it. Differing would be artistically ugly.

Less of a substantial inconsistency than changing sex, and my opposition would be less vehement - but an inconsistency nonetheless.

I do find it amusing that most people opposing this are simultaneously far too blinded by political bias to understand the same argument against the female Doctor.

TiberiusDidNothingWrong wrote:If he's retained a British accent through thirteen plus incarnations there's presumably an in-universe reason for it. Differing would be artistically ugly.

That's such a ridiculously petty reason to oppose an American Doctor.

Also, I'm sure a lot of people probably felt similar when the Doctor spoke with a Scottish accent for the very first time with McCoy's Doctor, but they all just accepted it and moved on.

DeadManRising wrote:

TiberiusDidNothingWrong wrote:If he's retained a British accent through thirteen plus incarnations there's presumably an in-universe reason for it. Differing would be artistically ugly.

That's such a ridiculously petty reason to oppose an American Doctor.

Also, I'm sure a lot of people probably felt similar when the Doctor spoke with a Scottish accent for the very first time with McCoy's Doctor, but they all just accepted it and moved on.

To an extent, but Scotland is part of the same broader British identity that encompasses England, too. Then, to make a change by the Seventh incarnation is less meaningful than the thirteenth plus.

It isn't petty at all - it's a substantial part of how art works, internally and externally.

It is not purely the accent, but the Doctor's being British is a fairly significant part of people's idea of the character. Evident by the fact that he has remained so for his entirety.