I don't think it fair that someone should be persecuted for their views. However I'd rather live next door to a practicing Muslim family than a white working class English family I'm afraid. No religion is without its problems but I find Islam a much more inclusive religion than Christianity, which in this country at least has become nothing more than a refuge for middle class snobs and do-gooders.
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Kaled Hygiene wrote:I don't think it fair that someone should be persecuted for their views. However I'd rather live next door to a practicing Muslim family than a white working class English family I'm afraid. No religion is without its problems but I find Islam a much more inclusive religion than Christianity, which in this country at least has become nothing more than a refuge for middle class snobs and do-gooders.
Trust me you are really wrong about that.
I'm not saying all Muslims are violent. Believe it or not my best friend at College was a Muslim. We've drifted apart. Not because of politics, just because that happens sadly with your mates from college. We were very close, hung out every day, and he was a great source of support for me during my depression.
I never once brought up his beliefs or anything. In fact I remember not getting my usual 2 packs of milk duds, a bacon sandwhich and a double cheeseburger for lunch ( I was a tubster in my youth) when he was fasting so as not to make it harder on him LOL.
However the religion of Islam is violent, bigoted, poisonous and from a practical point of view more dangerous than any other religion. It's absurd to say all religions are the same.
Islam and Judaism's holy books are both disgusting. They both advocate rape, torture, and mass murder, and feature children being killed and molested.
However for practical reasons, the Jewish holy book, the Old Testament, is nowhere near as dangerous as the Quran.
The old testament is very contradictory. You couldn't possibly live your life by it. Sometimes it will tell you to love everyone, other times it will tell you to slaughter non Jews, sometimes from sentence to sentence! The reason for this is because it was written by various contradictory writers over hundreds of years.
Its also not made out to be the definitive word of god, so there is room for interpretation, and its not actually meant to be a guide to how to live your life. Its more of a story as to how humanity became gods chosen race.
It also has been amended to and reformed many times, and it's concept of the afterlife is vague. You aren't promise a set amount of virgins if you martyr yourself.
Christianity meanwhile isn't perfect. There are some dodgy passages, but overall Jesus' main message is to love your enemies, and treat them as you would yourself. Added to that the New Testament is open to interpretation as its now the true word of god.
Hinduism meanwhile has many corrupt aspects to it, bt its a very lazy religion that doesn't want to conquer the world.
As a result whilst these religions in the past have caused problems, NONE of them are on a par with Islam, which is still the most dangerous for the following reasons.
Islam's holy books the Quran and the Hadith command all gay people be killed, that all women are inferior, that all black people are inferior to men, and that all non Muslims be killed.
It also is presented as the definitive word of god, so there is no room for interpretation, and it is not contradictory. Muhammad does say to not murder your enemies at that start, but that's only because his forces were weak. Once they became strong, he said to ignore his earlier teachings.
In order to be a Muslim you have to follow everything Muhammad says.
There has been no reformation in Islam at any point. Its the same now as it was when Muhammad was alive. Ironically in some respects Muhammad was somewhat progressive by the standards of his time, as he did unite various warring tribes together. However that's the point he was progressive for his time over 1000 years ago.
Now many Muslims do follow a somewhat unofficial reformed version of Islam where they take the nice bits (like a belief in the afterlife) or the charity in Islam or they use it as a way of uniting people together in a positive way.
However that said as there has been no official reformation of Islam, plenty of Muslims are raised on ALL Islamic beliefs, which leads to problems with the Islamic community that we don't see with other religious communities like Sikhs, Hindus, Christians, Jews etc.
In the most extreme cases, some British Muslims become terrorists and groomers. Those cases whilst tragic and devastating are however rare even in the Muslim community. A greater concern instead is the conservative attitudes Muslims have towards women and LGBT people.
Over 50 percent of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, compared to two percent of all other groups religious or otherwise combined! Then there is also Sadiq Khan who has spent more time banning sexy adverts of women, and gambling than on you know stopping London descending into a crime ridden hellhole.
If Muslims become a sizable percentage of the population that could be a problem, as they are a community within a community. Other religious groups like the Sikh's have integrated, but Muslims haven't and will continue to clash with other groups on attitudes like LGBT rights.
Now the solution to this is not to ban Muslims, or the Quran. Its too deeply rooted for that. The solution is to aid Muslim reformers to changing the religion within, and make criticism of Islam more widespread, and not taboo.
It might sound harsh, but if Islam is criticised, and more Muslims know its dark secrets, well then they will all work to improve their community from within, so as not to be associated with the darker elements of Islam that are well known. There also needs to be a proper and controlled immigration for Europe, though that's not even just a Muslim problem. That's true for any country.
All of these things can deal with Islam in a measured, and fair way. This is all Tommy Robinson has ever advocated BTW. He has never said to kill all Muslims, despite the media's attempts to smear him.
Sadly however there are two groups of people stopping a sensible discussion from being had about Islam, and ironically they aren't even Muslims!
1/ The lefties who will shout down ANY criticism of Islam as racist.
See here for a prime example. Its a shame as I [b]loved[/b] Ben Affleck's Batman, but this video shows he should stick to films rather politics.
2/ The right wing retards who emerged from the lefties dogmatic and bullying attitudes. These people, who include Molyneux, and Earthling Carl and Simon Harris are racists who use the general frustration with Islam to worm their way back in, and associate Islam with brown people who they all hate.
They do try and racialise criticism of Islam, by making out that ALL brown people have lower IQs and are more prone to violence and crime, hence why Islam is bad. (Aside from the general stupidity and ignorance of their arguments, the funny thing is they completely overlook the fact that not only are there white Muslims, but ironically Arabs are Caucasians and Muhammad himself was white who advocated the same thing they did. White supremacy!)
Here is a prime example of this type of cunt, Earthling Carl.
Sadly both are dragging us down a dark path, and making the Muslim community more isolated and prone to clinging to their old, bigoted ways, sometimes even just in defence.
Tommy Robinson is not one of the people doing that however. He's the solution to the problem, and the more the left wing morons keep persecuting him, the worse the backlash is going to be.
This video from Douglas Murray also I think sums up the media's cowardy attempts to silence Tommy.
I respect your viewpoint Burrun and I've thought long and hard about a worthwhile response but the best I can do, is to say in the interests of consistency and fairness wouldn't it be better if none of the Abrahamic religions existed?
If I had a choice though of preserving just one of the Abrahamic monotheisms I'd choose Islam without hesitation. Judaism is a supremacist religion (cf. The Talmud Unmasked by Justinas Bonaventure Pranaitis) and Jew's are Yahweh's chosen people (we...gentiles are less than animals). Contemporary Judaism does not proselytize.
Christianity in essence should be a pacifist religion and while I appreciate the Gnostic and Dualist undercurrents that reverberate through its early history, the Crusades and Papacy condemn Christianity unfortunately. The Catholic Church is Babylonian Paganism (cf. The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop) and while I respect schismatics and reformatory denominations (I come from a Methodist/Christian Science background myself) the bloodshed that has stained a supposed pacifist religion cannot be excused.
Islam may have initially been a conquest religion and unlike Christianity it has no normative pacifist tradition, as far as I'm aware, however if the enemy submits then violence is not permitted in Islam. Medieval Islam saw unprecedented religious tolerance in places like Muslim Spain and a flowering of the Arts and Sciences (I urge you to read Al-Biruni and Rumi). Islam is the final revelation of the Abrahamic God and effectively trumps Judaism and Christianity rendering them obsolete.