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1 Tommy Robinson Thread on Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:36 am

Okay I know this is going to be controversial but hear me out here.

IMO Tommy Robinson is a misunderstood hero.

He is tarred in the mainstream media as a racist, a hate monger and a far right activist.

He is none of those things of course. He is a critic of Islam, but Islam is not a race, and his criticisms of the Quran are all based on fact. There are violent and bigoted passages in the Quran and it is leading to problems in our society, beyond just terrorism, like the grooming gangs and a rise in homophobia and FGM.

Now again this does not mean that Muslims are all scumbags, but Tommy has NEVER argued that. He has always pointed out that he has known many great Muslims, and furthermore Tommy Robinson has given more support to actual Muslim reformers than many of his critics.

Watch this great interview he did with Imam Tahwidi. Islam needs reformed and and its influence needs limited in the west. We can't just let these people who are suffering as a result of Islam, like the Grooming Gang victims suffer in silence.

However we cannot just ban Islam. I would love it if it vanished, but its too deeply rooted for that, so it needs to be made toothless like other religions are now in the west. For instance even the most extreme Christians, the West Boro Baptist Chruch are not violent, and have no real power.

Doing this will help the victims and make sure that regular Muslims are not tarred as monsters. Imam Tahwidi and others like him IMO are the best chance of making that happen, and so by giving him a platform, and letting him explain how he is going to reform this faith, Tommy is doing more to help regular, peaceful Muslims than someone like Owen Jones, who just shuts down all discussion about Islam, leaves the reformers like Tahwidi out in the cold, and creates an attitude that ALL Muslims are extremists unknowingly as a result.



Where I really respect Tommy however is that he is a hero of the working class. The working class are overlooked by both the left and the right. The left can't stand us. They'll treat us all as a bunch of ignorant, inbred "THEY'RE TAKING OUR JOBS!" type of morons who are easily swayed into being Nazis by Nigel Farage and Donald Trump. We saw this with all the basket of deplorables and low information voters crap.

The right meanwhile treat us as losers who weren't smart enough to become big successes like them. Watch any of that absolute arse Stefan Molyneaux's videos on the working class. They are the most condescending, stupid little people, crap I have ever seen.

Tommy however actually brings the problems the working class face to people's attention more than anyone else.

See here.







Of course I'm not saying that Tommy's perfect. I don't think street protests are ever really a good way of accomplishing anything as they usually get out of hand.

Also in his youth by his own admission he was a total thug. Still the person he is now and what he is doing for the working class of this country overall make me respect him far more than the overwhelming majority of posers on the left and the right.

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2 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:38 am

Didn't he get his Twitter blocked recently? I thought I read that somewhere.

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3 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:40 am

Quick correction, most of his issues are not from the Qu'an but from the Hadith.

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4 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:43 am

@Genkimonk wrote:Quick correction, most of his issues are not from the Qu'an but from the Hadith.

Yeah sorry about that. The Quran though has plenty of violent passages too, but as the Imam points out in his interview with Tommy its possible, though not easy to put them in a historical context. The Hadiths however are mostly violent books to their core and the Imam rightfully says they should just be trashed.

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5 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:46 am

@burrunjor wrote:
@Genkimonk wrote:Quick correction, most of his issues are not from the Qu'an but from the Hadith.

Yeah sorry about that. The Quran though has plenty of violent passages too, but as the Imam points out in his interview with Tommy its possible, though not easy to put them in a historical context. The Hadiths however are mostly violent books to their core and the Imam rightfully says they should just be trashed.

Also, you may be interested to learn that the argument of the Qu'an never being altered is total BS. Please watch this video.

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6 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:17 pm

Never heard of him.

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7 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:52 pm

@iank wrote:Never heard of him.

He's a hero.

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8 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:43 am

No, he's a piece of shit whose only ambition is to cause trouble. He even once claimed to have turned his back on the EDL but then that clearly was BS.

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9 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:28 pm

@Genkimonk wrote:No, he's a piece of shit whose only ambition is to cause trouble. He even once claimed to have turned his back on the EDL but then that clearly was BS.

You're wrong.

Tommy Robinson is not just a trouble maker. He is someone who cares about the working class of this country and has gone through hell defending them from Islamic extremism, and austerity.

He is not a bigot, he has not tarred all Muslims as evil (again watch the video of him interviewing Imam Tahwidi. Who else gives that genuine, moderate Islamic reformer a platform?)



Tommy also uses his platform to help the disabled, poverty stricken and the marginalised too.











Don't buy into the mainstream media's shit about him.

I'm not saying he is perfect. The EDL IMO was a mistake. It attracted a lot of extremists, and it became famous for its street protests more than anything else.

He's been better when he has become more of a journalist, and his heart was always in the right place IMO.

Tommy is someone who is flawed yes, but at the end of the day when I look at what he has done for people and the hell he has been put through as a result, I can't help but respect and admire him.

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10 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:57 am

Sorry but the fact he is working class means he is likely under educated to talk about this subject. As someone who grew up in a mixed race family, one of which practiced islam, and studied Theology to the level of Masters, I can tell you now he has a lot of wrong information.

Maybe he does genuinly have nobel sentiments, but I doubt it. If he had any real goal, he would either get a job, go to university to educated himself on his cause better. Alternatively, he could recruit people who actually know what they are talking about.

I don't mean this as a dig because he is working class, but it is a fact that a few of the working class have had the chance to be university educated. And I feel on a matter as sensetive of religion it is vital.

I do agree though that Islam poses many problems for British society, but I feel this is more of a failure of the immagration vetting and intergration methods. One of the biggest issues is that a lot of muslim immagrants can't seperate hardcore cultural beliefs and Islam. Why? Because the likelyhood is their imams back home cant. The reason for this is that training to be an Imam is more about memorising their book and leading prayer rather than focusing on the historical construction elements of the book, or the writings styles of the time. An Imam usually only requires a college level education, so some of the poorer areas of the middle east will have much less educated imams than the wealthier areas. This flaw is what I believe has caused indoctrination of extreme idiology.

We should have a strict criteria for all religious leaders, not just Islam. A minimam of a 3 year theology and religious studies degree specialising in their feild. Comparative religious study must also be a core component of the training. This alone would help the communities teach tolerance towards each other.

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11 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:05 pm

Sorry but the fact he is working class means he is likely under educated to talk about this subject. As someone who grew up in a mixed race family, one of which practiced islam, and studied Theology to the level of Masters, I can tell you now he has a lot of wrong information.

Sorry but I find that to be a bit of class snobbery. Tommy is very well educated on the subject.



He always knows his stuff, and again many other religious scholars such as Imam Tahwidi, David Wood and Sam Harris have all supported or said the same things he has.

Plus being wealthy doesn't mean you know your stuff. Its hard to be more ignorant than Ben Affleck for instance.



Having said that never let it be said that I can't have a laugh at Tommy at times.

This vid here always makes me laugh. This vid parodies scenes from the Quran, when Muhammed was in Mecca and his forces were small, and some of the pagans were scared that he would take over, whilst others were naively welcoming.

Muhammed and his followers are represented by modern day radical Muslim preachers and apologists like Anjem Choudry and Dawah Man, whilst Tommy, Pat Condell and David Wood represent the Pagans who were suspicious of Muhammed, whilst the SJWs represent the Pagans who naively trusted him.







I don't ever like jokes about people's looks, and I do feel sorry for Cora Segal too, but still all that aside this is a brilliant satire.

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12 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:01 pm

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13 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Fri May 25, 2018 2:00 pm

Tommy Robinson Arrested - Again

For someone so concerned with British Law, the Half-Pint Hate Preacher seems to break it a lot. He was arrested today in Leeds outside a court where a trial is taking place, for Breach of the Peace and Incitement.

He posted a live video on his Facebook stream ... while being arrested. (See foot of post for video.)

He of course immediately launched into his "Didn't Do Nuffink, Guv" routine while asking an officer who explained the charges, continuously, "What does that mean?"

Or more accurately, "Wazzat min? Wazzat min? Wazzat min? Wazzat min?"

C'mon, Robinson. You should know this drill by heart now. You've been here often enough.


Robinson's Criminal Record.
So far.
He's currently on a suspended sentence for similar offences and he could well go down for this. Our legal beagles say that it's almost a certainty.

This would his fifth jail term unless we've missed one in his early days.

For a 'Patriot' he does seem to have an inability to obey - or a worrying disregard for - the laws of our nation.

Or, as he would say himself ...

"If you can't obey our laws maybe you don't deserve to be in our country."
http://www.farrightwatch.net/2018/05/tommy-robinson-arrested-again-today-in.html

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14 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Fri May 25, 2018 2:07 pm

I think the article is wrong about him going down for it, as per:

Sanctions
Since breach of the peace is not a criminal offence, it is not punishable either by a fine or imprisonment and proceedings for breach of the peace do not give rise to a conviction. Magistrates, however, can bind someone over to keep the peace. This means the offender has to agree to keep the peace for a set amount of time. Any breach of the bind-over can result in a financial penalty or even jail. A failure to agree to keep the peace may of itself lead to a person being committed to custody under the Magistrates Court Act 1980.

https://www.inbrief.co.uk/offences/breach-of-the-peace/

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15 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Fri May 25, 2018 2:29 pm

What is the effect of breaching a suspended prison sentence?
If the defendant commits a further criminal offence during the operational period, it is likely the prison term must then be served.

https://www.inbrief.co.uk/court-judgements/suspended-prison-sentence/

And it isn't a criminal offence so the article is wrong

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16 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Fri May 25, 2018 2:38 pm

Nice to see his supporters up in arms, calling anyone who disagrees with them a paedophile... but don't call them racist or far-right cos they don't like that...

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17 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Fri May 25, 2018 3:30 pm

Contempt of court as well now, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tommy-robinson-arrested-leeds-court-child-grooming-trial-edl-founder-latest-a8368821.html

That is criminal and that will affect his suspended sentence

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18 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Sat May 26, 2018 10:06 am

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19 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Sun May 27, 2018 11:28 am

We also have confirmation that the defendants of those on trial in #Leeds will plea a motion on Monday for a mistrial based on Robinson's reporting.

Bravo, Tommy. You might be setting them free.

https://twitter.com/Far_Right_Watch/status/1000420323936874502

What a piece of shit he is

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20 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Sun May 27, 2018 10:12 pm

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We also have confirmation that the defendants of those on trial in #Leeds will plea a motion on Monday for a mistrial based on Robinson's reporting.

Bravo, Tommy. You might be setting them free.

https://twitter.com/Far_Right_Watch/status/1000420323936874502

What a piece of shit he is

Out of all of this you can actually come to the conclusion that its Tommy Robinson that is the piece of shit?

Tommy Robinson is a journalist who was covering a case, a case that the mainstream media were not covering. He didn't cause a disturbance or anything like that. What do you think journalists will be like around Harvey Weinstein when his case goes to trial?

Putting the man in jail for 13 months is basically a death sentence, but you're okay with that?







This along with Count Dankula's fine is terrifying. Free speech is becoming a thing of the past.

You see people like us have never had to fight from freedom of speech. It was handed to us on a plate, but now we are betraying it out of a combination of cowardice and stupidity.



He's been dead for almost 8 years, but you'd think this was made yesterday.

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21 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Mon May 28, 2018 9:56 am

Come on burrunjor, he was breaking conditions of his bail and doing exactly the sort of thing the Judge had previously warned him would land him in jail if he broke that license.

He was filming people going in and out of court during a sensitive trial which could've got those accused let off on a legal technicality by compromising the impartiality of the Courts.

Why the fuck wasn't Tommy Robinson protesting outside of this nonces trial, eh?

https://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/english-defence-league-activist-from-milton-keynes-jailed-for-sexually-abusing-10-year-old-girl-1-8395579

The guy doesn't give a fuck about paedophillia, he's just using it as an excuse to further his own political agenda for agitating a religious war.  

His arrest isn't about "freedom of speech", it's about respecting the law of the land and not compromising the impartiality of the courts - the very thing he accuses Muslims of.

He's no fucking better than Abu Hamza al-Masri.

They're just different cheeks of the same arse.

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22 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Mon May 28, 2018 10:22 am

Count Dankula showing what an utter fucking hypocrite he is

https://twitter.com/demarionunn/status/1000679818189422592

Tommy broke British laws (in place since 1925) designed to ensure free and fair trials.
He was on a suspended sentence having tried to confront defendants last year.
Kindly stop interfering in our attempts to secure justice for children.

Whether he was trying to do the right thing or not is irrelevant. And he wasn't as he doesn't know what the right thing is cos he is a hateful hypocritical cowardly shit

Just read this twitter thread for an informed perspective on why Tommy Robinson was a fucking idiot that got what was coming to him https://twitter.com/zia_khan94/status/1000593189265334273

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23 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Mon May 28, 2018 10:33 am

@Rob Filth wrote:Come one burrunjor, he was breaking conditions of his bail and doing exactly the sort of thing the Judge had previously warned him would land him in jail if he broke that license.

He was filming people going in and out of court during a sensitive trial which could've got those accused let off on a legal technicality by compromising the impartiality of the Courts.

Why the fuck wasn't Tommy Robinson protesting outside of this nonces trial, eh?

https://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/english-defence-league-activist-from-milton-keynes-jailed-for-sexually-abusing-10-year-old-girl-1-8395579

The guy doesn't give a fuck about paedophillia, he's just using it as an excuse to further his own political agenda for agitating a religious war.  

His arrest isn't about "freedom of speech", it's about respecting the law of the land and not compromising the impartiality of the courts - the very thing he accuses Muslims of.

He's no fucking better than Abu Hamza al-Masri.

They're just different cheeks of the same arse.

Tommy Robinson IMO doesn't want to start a religious war. Again look at his video with Imam Tahwidi. He is just against the spread of Islam through our society in its original barbaric form, which is a problem.

The guy who coined the term Islamophobia has even said that Islam is not integrating. Its a very delicate situation I totally get that. On the one hand you can't let all Muslims be tarred, but on the other you can't ignore the problems that Islam is creating. We need to deal with this issue step by step.

Limiting Islam's influence, making sure reformers are given the correct aid and attention, and making sure that Islam isn't a taboo subject to criticise.

Now fair enough Tommy despite his best efforts can sadly often be a blunt instrument in trying to solve these problems. I don't agree with all of his tactics. I do think his street protests despite his best efforts to contain them, can lead to trouble and his recent free speech march was a joke.

Still he has brought a lot of attention to people who were being otherwise ignored, including grooming gang victims. I would urge all of you to watch this Oxford Speech he gave. Its very interesting if nothing else and will possibly cause you to view the man in a different light.



Now on to his arrest. What he was doing wasn't any different than what any other reporter was. He was reporting on the sentencing of several criminals. The trial had obviously gone ahead, so there was no danger of jury contamination.

Compare that to the MSM all hanging outside Count Dankula's house just before the police were about to arrest him. That was before the trial. Ditto what about when they swarm around criminals like Rolf Harris, Gary Glitter, Harvey Weinstein etc before they are charged.

He was also not on court property. He made sure that he was on the street away from the building.

He is also on film asking the police where he can stand before hand so as not to violate his sentence. He also called them the alleged convicts so as not to show prejudice.

He was arrested on a suspicion of breaching the peace.

Furthermore he was convicted without a trial, and the sentence he was given, 13 months was not only disproportionate, but is I'd say designed to silence him for good. Muslim gangs run prisons these days, and if he goes in there he is a dead man. The judge even told him that he knew what he was getting in for.

This comes after a few people have been banned from the UK simply for expressing their beliefs, and after a comedian was arrested for telling a joke and nearly sent to prison. Its a very terrifying time to be alive in the UK.

They won't stop at the right wingers. I dislike Count Dankula largely. He's an Ayn Rand fan, but still we are all in danger once this precedent has been set.

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24 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Mon May 28, 2018 10:37 am



Tommy knew what would happen and deliberately broke the law, he's a cunt

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25 Re: Tommy Robinson Thread on Mon May 28, 2018 10:46 am

And here is a video of him doing the thing he was told not

https://twitter.com/TommyR0binson/status/1000038320695635968

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