HomeJust wondering and cos I am bored. I wondered what the Hive looks like overall.
Where on the Political Spectrum are You?
Message [Page 1 of 2]
3 Re: Left or Right 13th March 2018, 4:17 pm
Rawkuss
I am economically right, socially left and Philisophically centrist. 
One leftist tendency that I don't like is the idea that centrists are Tories in disguise. They strawman them as everyone for themselves and supportive of the status quo so in effect Tory. This 'you are with us or against us' attitude polarises and defeats an already divided left.
If the Tories are winning it's cos the Left has failed.
Surprised to see so many centrists here
One leftist tendency that I don't like is the idea that centrists are Tories in disguise. They strawman them as everyone for themselves and supportive of the status quo so in effect Tory. This 'you are with us or against us' attitude polarises and defeats an already divided left.
If the Tories are winning it's cos the Left has failed.
Surprised to see so many centrists here
4 Re: Left or Right 13th March 2018, 7:22 pm
Boofer
I guess it depends on what you mean by centrist. The Overton Window's centre shifts over time. Right now centrism is evocative of neoliberal economics, mass consumerism, globalism, multiculaturalism,etc. It's a mix of right wing economics and a sort of social liberalism that is fixated on identity instead of class.
That sort of centrism (typified by Blairism/Cameronism) has been the catalyst for the stagnation of wages, poor growth, upwards transfer of wealth, mass consumer debt, unnecessary kleptocratic privatisation and the fragmentation of the working classes.
My personal belief is that we need a political party with the balls to ensure that lobbying is kept out of politics, so that key services are run in the national interest, and not by minister's mates in order to siphon off huge amounts of cash at huge cost to the taxpayer.
People are deadly afraid of taxation after 40 years of monetarism. And why shouldn't they be? Too many are living on the breadline, easily convinced that tax changes that would affect the wealthy would somehow affect them. There needs to be a graduated change in the education system to produce highly-skilled vocational workers, and a fixation on skills-based degrees, so we can emulate the likes of Germany, which has a high-wage, high-skill, higher-tax economy - taxes which go into world-class public services, taxes people don't mind paying because - even after tax - their wages are good enough for an excellent standard of living.
Housing also needs to be addressed in relation to wages. We sold off our housing stock and creative a generation of owners, followed by a generation of landlords who have benefited from house price inflation at a time when real wages have fallen, supply has fallen and population has been increased. Subsequent administrations have been too weak and too afraid to address the issue because 1. they are landlords themselves, and 2. all their bessie mates own property too.
The only option is to increase supply. Forget initial ownership and build high-quality social housing with rents below the absurd market rates charged by private landlords. Bring in options to purchase or rent to buy schemes later at discounts and use the money to build more social housing. Housing costs have to drop in relation to wages. Homelessness has already doubled in the last few years because current price rises compounded by wage stagnation means living costs are simply unworkable for many.
It's time we started looking after the average Joe, and not the vast wealth of people who exploit people's labour power and time by keeping them in menial, soul-destroying work for a pittance of the profit they're generating.
The whole system is fucked, and it needs checking in the same way FDR checked the system in the 30s. We need a new 'New Deal', one that reflects the realities of the excesses of the system - before the system goes tits up. Let's not wait until we have people queueing for soup, or paying for bread with wheelbarrows of cash this time.
You're only ever a few meals away from chaos. The grotesquely wealthy who hoard trillions away in tax havens should probably remember that when they're busy devising yet another scheme to squeeze wealth from workers, taxpayers and the infirm via their political puppets.
That sort of centrism (typified by Blairism/Cameronism) has been the catalyst for the stagnation of wages, poor growth, upwards transfer of wealth, mass consumer debt, unnecessary kleptocratic privatisation and the fragmentation of the working classes.
My personal belief is that we need a political party with the balls to ensure that lobbying is kept out of politics, so that key services are run in the national interest, and not by minister's mates in order to siphon off huge amounts of cash at huge cost to the taxpayer.
People are deadly afraid of taxation after 40 years of monetarism. And why shouldn't they be? Too many are living on the breadline, easily convinced that tax changes that would affect the wealthy would somehow affect them. There needs to be a graduated change in the education system to produce highly-skilled vocational workers, and a fixation on skills-based degrees, so we can emulate the likes of Germany, which has a high-wage, high-skill, higher-tax economy - taxes which go into world-class public services, taxes people don't mind paying because - even after tax - their wages are good enough for an excellent standard of living.
Housing also needs to be addressed in relation to wages. We sold off our housing stock and creative a generation of owners, followed by a generation of landlords who have benefited from house price inflation at a time when real wages have fallen, supply has fallen and population has been increased. Subsequent administrations have been too weak and too afraid to address the issue because 1. they are landlords themselves, and 2. all their bessie mates own property too.
The only option is to increase supply. Forget initial ownership and build high-quality social housing with rents below the absurd market rates charged by private landlords. Bring in options to purchase or rent to buy schemes later at discounts and use the money to build more social housing. Housing costs have to drop in relation to wages. Homelessness has already doubled in the last few years because current price rises compounded by wage stagnation means living costs are simply unworkable for many.
It's time we started looking after the average Joe, and not the vast wealth of people who exploit people's labour power and time by keeping them in menial, soul-destroying work for a pittance of the profit they're generating.
The whole system is fucked, and it needs checking in the same way FDR checked the system in the 30s. We need a new 'New Deal', one that reflects the realities of the excesses of the system - before the system goes tits up. Let's not wait until we have people queueing for soup, or paying for bread with wheelbarrows of cash this time.
You're only ever a few meals away from chaos. The grotesquely wealthy who hoard trillions away in tax havens should probably remember that when they're busy devising yet another scheme to squeeze wealth from workers, taxpayers and the infirm via their political puppets.
5 Re: Left or Right 13th March 2018, 9:25 pm
iank
These days I would probably be considered right, but that's only cause the Left has gone completely tits up, dribbling at the mouth batshit insane.
I probably lean more toward libertarian, though I prefer to think of myself simply as a contrary bastard.
I probably lean more toward libertarian, though I prefer to think of myself simply as a contrary bastard.
6 Re: Left or Right 13th March 2018, 9:52 pm
burrunjor
I'm a left leaning centrist.
I obviously like any decent person support equality for all races, LGBT people and men and women.
I support the NHS, the welfare state, and I think that conditions should be improved for workers. There is no real reason not to have a 4 day week, and hours should be decreased too. The 40 hour week is terrible and out dated. It also does not produce a good service either.
I don't want to be treated by an exhausted Doctor, or even phone in and get advice from someone who has spent 8 hours in a call centre with two 15 minute breaks in the last 6 hours.
Also I think that the railways, and natural resources like gas and electricity should be made public sector again. However I don't think we should give the government complete control of everything. That IMO is why some (not all) socialist states have failed as they end up descending into fascism as a result.
Private business should still be allowed to flourish for their own products, resturants can obviously still be private, but business men shouldn't be allowed to monopolise everything. That is why many capitalist societies have failed, and is what has led to corprotism and ironically globalism that all the capitalist fanboys hate.
When you promote this bullshit Ayn Rand, me first crap, and when you allow the greedy sharks at the top to buy EVERYTHING then obviously the biggest companies are going to try and monopolise it, and do anything they can to stay at the top. That is what ultimately creates George Soros.
I support a mixed economy really that leans towards the left more. IMO history has shown that those are the biggest successes. Look at China. It has a mixed economy (hence why both capitalists and communists try and claim it.)
Truth be told China follows the Lennist model, which is more a mixed economy. Whilst I obviously don't condone the fascism in China, it cannot be denied that its economy has lifted more people out of poverty than any other in human history.
Also after the war from the 40s to the 70s we moved to a mixed economy thanks to Clement Attlee and it was the greatest period of prosperity for our country.
Since the Thatcher government we have pushed more to the right however and its been an utter disaster.
As for social issues well I despise identity politics with a vengeance.
Feminism is utter, contemptible trash and should be despised in its current form by any rational thinking human. Its like an abusive spouse to women. It tells them that they have to join it, or else it attacks them, it makes out that everything women have accomplished is only because of it, and in little weasly, cowardly ways, it makes out that without it, then modern women are worthless and helpless.
Also its replaced religion as the dogmatic, fascistic shadow, looming over our society. If you question ANYTHING it says you are automatically slimed as a horrible person. Just replace heretic with misogynist and you'll see your average SJW is no different to your average fundamentalist Christian 100 or so years ago.
Feminism is also something that cowards and chancers use to promote themselves and their careers, and as a result it deliberately steers women away from combating genuine sexism, like Islam's vile treatment of women, because feminists are too scared to take it on.
So instead feminists lie about things like the gender wage gap (which has been debunked again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again)
Or they focus on trivial bullshit like MUH representation.
Added to that feminism also peddles some of the most disgusting bigotry against men and white people I have ever seen, as its also become a spring board for so many stupid women's frustrations against the opposite sex.
I also despise the right however. A lot of these right wingers like Sargon of Akkad and Stefan Molyneaux are no better than the SJWs they present themselves as supposedly logical alternatives too.
Sargon and Molyneaux are apologists for McCarthy who was the feminism of his day. He shut down anyone he disagreed with like modern feminists, he got people fired from their jobs, etc. They are clearly against free speech when its people they don't like.
Also there are some genuinely disgusting attitudes towards women appearing on the right. Obviously I'm not saying they are sexists because they hate feminists, but a lot of them have now begun to make out that ALL women are basically assholes.
Look at this disgusting video from that absolute arse Naked Ape.
This is EXACTLY the type of shit I'd expect to see a blue haired feminist moron say about men. It really is a two sides of the same coin (or more appropriately two cheeks of the same arse.)
We need to not see these people as the logical alternative. We need to see that the right in power would do all the same shit the left is doing, just in reverse.
They would demonise one half of the population except it would be women, they would shut down anyone who expresses even the mildest left wing views as a communist (which would become the new misogynist, heretic.)
It could very well shift in their favour as the next generation are said to be the most conservative since WW2.
We need to debunk these tribalistic, twats on either side, though not shut them down. Free speech must apply for everyone you don't like (and yes Sargon that applies for communists too you sell out, tribal, faux "classical liberal".
Finally I'd say that my personal heroes would be, John Pilger who has done more to expose the horrors of western imperialism and helped raise millions for places like Cambodia. He is a man of great integrity and is still going strong after all of these years.
Tommy Robinson who is a true working class hero. He is a truly brave man who has stood out against one of the biggest dangers to western society, Islamic extremism, and has probably done more for the working class of this country than anyone else in the past 10 years.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali similarly is a hero of mine for that reason and has done more for women than the majority of western feminist morons as well.
I also like and admire, Blaire White, ShoeOnHead and Chris Ray Gun. I wouldn't call them heroes, but I do like them and think they are much more level headed than the majority of those on the left and the right.
I obviously like any decent person support equality for all races, LGBT people and men and women.
I support the NHS, the welfare state, and I think that conditions should be improved for workers. There is no real reason not to have a 4 day week, and hours should be decreased too. The 40 hour week is terrible and out dated. It also does not produce a good service either.
I don't want to be treated by an exhausted Doctor, or even phone in and get advice from someone who has spent 8 hours in a call centre with two 15 minute breaks in the last 6 hours.
Also I think that the railways, and natural resources like gas and electricity should be made public sector again. However I don't think we should give the government complete control of everything. That IMO is why some (not all) socialist states have failed as they end up descending into fascism as a result.
Private business should still be allowed to flourish for their own products, resturants can obviously still be private, but business men shouldn't be allowed to monopolise everything. That is why many capitalist societies have failed, and is what has led to corprotism and ironically globalism that all the capitalist fanboys hate.
When you promote this bullshit Ayn Rand, me first crap, and when you allow the greedy sharks at the top to buy EVERYTHING then obviously the biggest companies are going to try and monopolise it, and do anything they can to stay at the top. That is what ultimately creates George Soros.
I support a mixed economy really that leans towards the left more. IMO history has shown that those are the biggest successes. Look at China. It has a mixed economy (hence why both capitalists and communists try and claim it.)
Truth be told China follows the Lennist model, which is more a mixed economy. Whilst I obviously don't condone the fascism in China, it cannot be denied that its economy has lifted more people out of poverty than any other in human history.
Also after the war from the 40s to the 70s we moved to a mixed economy thanks to Clement Attlee and it was the greatest period of prosperity for our country.
Since the Thatcher government we have pushed more to the right however and its been an utter disaster.
As for social issues well I despise identity politics with a vengeance.
Feminism is utter, contemptible trash and should be despised in its current form by any rational thinking human. Its like an abusive spouse to women. It tells them that they have to join it, or else it attacks them, it makes out that everything women have accomplished is only because of it, and in little weasly, cowardly ways, it makes out that without it, then modern women are worthless and helpless.
Also its replaced religion as the dogmatic, fascistic shadow, looming over our society. If you question ANYTHING it says you are automatically slimed as a horrible person. Just replace heretic with misogynist and you'll see your average SJW is no different to your average fundamentalist Christian 100 or so years ago.
Feminism is also something that cowards and chancers use to promote themselves and their careers, and as a result it deliberately steers women away from combating genuine sexism, like Islam's vile treatment of women, because feminists are too scared to take it on.
So instead feminists lie about things like the gender wage gap (which has been debunked again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again)
Or they focus on trivial bullshit like MUH representation.
Added to that feminism also peddles some of the most disgusting bigotry against men and white people I have ever seen, as its also become a spring board for so many stupid women's frustrations against the opposite sex.
I also despise the right however. A lot of these right wingers like Sargon of Akkad and Stefan Molyneaux are no better than the SJWs they present themselves as supposedly logical alternatives too.
Sargon and Molyneaux are apologists for McCarthy who was the feminism of his day. He shut down anyone he disagreed with like modern feminists, he got people fired from their jobs, etc. They are clearly against free speech when its people they don't like.
Also there are some genuinely disgusting attitudes towards women appearing on the right. Obviously I'm not saying they are sexists because they hate feminists, but a lot of them have now begun to make out that ALL women are basically assholes.
Look at this disgusting video from that absolute arse Naked Ape.
This is EXACTLY the type of shit I'd expect to see a blue haired feminist moron say about men. It really is a two sides of the same coin (or more appropriately two cheeks of the same arse.)
We need to not see these people as the logical alternative. We need to see that the right in power would do all the same shit the left is doing, just in reverse.
They would demonise one half of the population except it would be women, they would shut down anyone who expresses even the mildest left wing views as a communist (which would become the new misogynist, heretic.)
It could very well shift in their favour as the next generation are said to be the most conservative since WW2.
We need to debunk these tribalistic, twats on either side, though not shut them down. Free speech must apply for everyone you don't like (and yes Sargon that applies for communists too you sell out, tribal, faux "classical liberal".
Finally I'd say that my personal heroes would be, John Pilger who has done more to expose the horrors of western imperialism and helped raise millions for places like Cambodia. He is a man of great integrity and is still going strong after all of these years.
Tommy Robinson who is a true working class hero. He is a truly brave man who has stood out against one of the biggest dangers to western society, Islamic extremism, and has probably done more for the working class of this country than anyone else in the past 10 years.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali similarly is a hero of mine for that reason and has done more for women than the majority of western feminist morons as well.
I also like and admire, Blaire White, ShoeOnHead and Chris Ray Gun. I wouldn't call them heroes, but I do like them and think they are much more level headed than the majority of those on the left and the right.
7 Re: Left or Right 14th March 2018, 6:13 pm
Mott1
I voted centre, tho I thought I'd be the only one and we'd have more 'lefties'! Then again many on one side or the other probably see themselves as the sensible middle ground...
9 Re: Left or Right 26th April 2018, 7:52 pm
Rob Filth
I'm a batshit crazy loony-leftie.
I knit yogurts and hug trees whilst not procreating a multi-ethnic family and have a photo of Diane Abbott on my mantelpiece.
I'm also into CND and against war - fucking batshit crazy stuff, eh?
I'm so mad.
I knit yogurts and hug trees whilst not procreating a multi-ethnic family and have a photo of Diane Abbott on my mantelpiece.
I'm also into CND and against war - fucking batshit crazy stuff, eh?
I'm so mad.
10 Re: Left or Right 26th April 2018, 10:33 pm
Mott1
Why are beards generally left wing and moustaches right wing (apart from Stalin's)?
11 Re: Left or Right 26th April 2018, 11:10 pm
Boofer
Mott1 wrote:Why are beards generally left wing and moustaches right wing (apart from Stalin's)?
I think shaving is often associated with discipline i.e. the maintenance and routine required to stay 'clean' shaven is thought of as virtuous and 'smart', while the act of growing a beard is such that you will appear unkempt until you've reached the length where it becomes a proper beard. (The latter inferring you're too lazy or ill-disciplined to bother about your appearance.)
The moustache seems to me the best of both worlds. You can assert one's masculine prowess while still evincing the discipline of shaving. Indeed the tache is the pinnacle of control, as it requires more skill to maintain than the full shave.
I think these distinctions are diminishing now with the recent explosion of the hipster beard. The beard has become somewhat apolitical, and more of a pissing contest than any kind of political statement.
Maybe I'm bitter though as I can't grow a beard to save my life!
12 Re: Left or Right 27th April 2018, 5:42 pm
Mott1
Good response, boofer! You're also right about hipster beards - who would have thought the 'W G Grace' would become the student face fuzz of choice?
13 Re: Left or Right 1st May 2018, 8:25 am
Rawkuss
7 favourite captions to go with that Tory Power Stance
picture
https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2018/05/01/7-favourite-captions-go-tory-power-stance/
picturehttps://www.thepoke.co.uk/2018/05/01/7-favourite-captions-go-tory-power-stance/
14 Re: Left or Right 1st May 2018, 2:21 pm
Boofer
I'm now fairly sure the Tories have hired a body language expert who hates them as much as 60% of the electorate does.
It appears they've advised Tory HQ that this pose is imbued with magical properties which negate all ridicule and criticism. Such can be the only plausible explanation for it's continued employment in photo ops.
It appears they've advised Tory HQ that this pose is imbued with magical properties which negate all ridicule and criticism. Such can be the only plausible explanation for it's continued employment in photo ops.
15 Re: Left or Right 14th May 2018, 6:29 pm
Rawkuss
Oh, look what the Conservatives are doing:
You’ll soon have to buy a ‘porn pass’ in UK shops to access online porn
http://www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/40026/1/you-ll-soon-have-to-buy-a-porn-pass-in-uk-shops-to-access-online-porn
You’ll soon have to buy a ‘porn pass’ in UK shops to access online porn
http://www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/40026/1/you-ll-soon-have-to-buy-a-porn-pass-in-uk-shops-to-access-online-porn
17 Re: Left or Right 14th May 2018, 6:41 pm
Rawkuss
Yeah, I know, but that's not really my point (although I didn't make it clear) it's the audacity of trying to micromanage the population that get's me.
18 Re: Left or Right 14th May 2018, 7:00 pm
Boofer
Mr. Happy wrote:Yeah, I know, but that's not really my point (although I didn't make it clear) it's the audacity of trying to micromanage the population that get's me.
It's a form of neo-social conservatism, for sure.
They've lost their battles on religion, gay rights, the nuclear family, abortion, etc, so moral panics pertaining to pornography and drugs are about all they've got left to cling on to.
19 Re: Left or Right 14th May 2018, 7:08 pm
Rawkuss
If the Left had tried to do this the Stalin comparisons would be flying about like nobody's business. So much for the right being about freedom and free speech. This is just puritanical, and dare I say it, SJW.
Some of them like Piers Reese-morgan are still fighting their battles against Homosexuals. The fact that he and Boris are most likely to succeed May is what has been propping her up for ages. And She just seems content to d the dirty work in service to her party cos she knows she is a lame horse that will be taken out the back and shot at some point.
Some of them like Piers Reese-morgan are still fighting their battles against Homosexuals. The fact that he and Boris are most likely to succeed May is what has been propping her up for ages. And She just seems content to d the dirty work in service to her party cos she knows she is a lame horse that will be taken out the back and shot at some point.
20 Re: Left or Right 14th May 2018, 8:43 pm
burrunjor
If the Left had tried to do this the Stalin comparisons would be flying about like nobody's business. So much for the right being about freedom and free speech. This is just puritanical, and dare I say it, SJW.
SJWs can be right or left wing. They are basically people who want to have a fight, hence why they are always ready to get offended. That's why anybody who gives into them is a fool, as they'll still find something to be offended about.
The left wing SJWs are the main threat right now, but that will most likely change in the next 20 or 30 years when generation Y who are said to be the most conservative since WW2 become dominant.
21 Re: Left or Right 26th September 2019, 10:35 pm
Pepsi Maxil
The Grand Master
I wank with my left hand.
I've always leaned more toward the right. Probably why I love First Blood Part II as much as I do.
I've always leaned more toward the right. Probably why I love First Blood Part II as much as I do.
22 Re: Left or Right 27th September 2019, 12:50 am
Ludders
Traditional left, but modern politics is so fractured that I find it impossible to identify wholly with any ideology. But I'm not a centrist either.
Cunnus Maximus is on the nail. Centrism is just a byword for neoliberalism these days. Here's an interesting take from the Australian perspective, but still relevant to the UK/USA.
https://sydneyreviewofbooks.com/denniss-humphrys-mcmanus-neoliberalism/
Cunnus Maximus is on the nail. Centrism is just a byword for neoliberalism these days. Here's an interesting take from the Australian perspective, but still relevant to the UK/USA.
https://sydneyreviewofbooks.com/denniss-humphrys-mcmanus-neoliberalism/
23 Re: Left or Right 27th September 2019, 10:41 am
Bernard Marx
My thoughts (and political leanings) exactly.Ronnie wrote:Traditional left, but modern politics is so fractured that I find it impossible to identify wholly with any ideology. But I'm not a centrist either.
Cunnus Maximus is on the nail. Centrism is just a byword for neoliberalism these days. Here's an interesting take from the Australian perspective, but still relevant to the UK/USA.
https://sydneyreviewofbooks.com/denniss-humphrys-mcmanus-neoliberalism/
24 Re: Left or Right 15th February 2020, 11:39 am
Pepsi Maxil
The Grand Master
I don't know. I'm becoming more politically aware by the day and I've noticed myself agreeing more with the left on certain things. Funny how this has happened after I chose to pull myself away from the likes of PJW and Computing Forever. I didn't feel comfortable supporting people who seem to mock people for a living.
25 Re: Left or Right 15th February 2020, 11:58 am
Tanmann
Dick Tater
Centrist, I suppose.
I lean left on certain things, I lean right on certain others. I used to think of myself as left and progressive, but then the insanity seemed to take over (it had always been there but it seems harder for the saner left to forge any position now).
I lean left on certain things, I lean right on certain others. I used to think of myself as left and progressive, but then the insanity seemed to take over (it had always been there but it seems harder for the saner left to forge any position now).
Message [Page 1 of 2]
Go to page : 1, 2
Similar topics
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
|
|
|