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Who Would You Rather Was Wiped From Doctor Who's History?

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Ian Levine or Chris Chibnall?

I bring this up just because since his angry tweets about Jodie's casting (not that I think he was wrong of course, or that I'm throwing stones as I made even more angry comments about it on places like Planet Mondas.)

Still since then Ian Levine has been getting a lot of hate on all platforms from self loathing fanboys saying that they are glad he is leaving Doctor Who fandom, that he's a bigot, a disgrace, he thinks he owns the show etc.

So since Chibbers is the one who made him leave I ask you if you could go back and stop one of them from ever getting into DW which would it be?

Well I'm obviously going to go for Chibbers.

Ian Levine may be a drama queen, but at least he has actually done good things for the show like finding missing stories, and stopping the destruction of the first Dalek story. As a 90's baby I wouldn't be able to enjoy that great piece of tv if it weren't for Ian.

Chibbers meanwhile even before chopping the Doctors cock off wrote some truly appalling shit like "have you ever cum so hard you forgot where you were?"

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Yeah, that's a pretty easy one...

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Chibnall didn't make Levine leave. It's a choice Levine made because he doesn't want the Doctor to be a woman.

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iank wrote:Yeah, that's a pretty easy one...

It is but you have no idea how many hipster, SJW fuckwits are going on about how Ian Levine is a disgusting misogynistic bigot now, and how Jodie being the Doctor is pay back for Attack of the Cybermen. Leaving aside the fact that Attack of the Cybermen is awesome its just a further example of how spiteful these cunts are.

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Mr. Happy wrote:Chibnall didn't make Levine leave. It's a choice Levine made because he doesn't want the Doctor to be a woman.

Or was it that he didn't want the Time Lords retconned from being a race of dusty, archival, custodians of time into a bunch of trivialised and casualised gender-swappers which effectively ruins ALL Time Lords and the relationships they have with each other, Rani, Susan and Romana included, as well as characters such as The Doctor?

I doubt so many would give a shit about The Doctor changing gender had it been done via a plausible narrative reason rather than retconning regeneration and changing the whole nature of the Time Lords into something for titillation for the tabloids to drool over and/or mock.

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Levine's anger has been the source of comedic gold for me over the years, ever since I saw him lose it over being conned about episode 4 of the Tenth Planet. Wink

Chibnall on the other hand has written some dire or unremarkable stuff for DW and TW (with the occasional bursts of brilliance), and savagely character assassinated an earnest writing partnership on live BBC television (back in the days where they'd allow such a thing)

Not a tough choice for me.

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Ian Levine has his faults and his ranting at times is indeed comical BUT in the end the true fact is his heart was in the right place re his LOVE for Dr.Who

while we might have a go at him from time to time we should remember his devotion to the show SAVED classic episodes from the folly of BBC's inept short sighted destruction of 'old b/w TV that nobody bothers with anymore' etc...

and although we might argue re Levine's contribution to the show back in the 80's again he was at least attempting to ensure some kind of basic logical continuty was maintained because he CARED about the programme

while I don't agree with some of Levine's opinions re the show, or his antics getting the show's followers rather all tarred with the same brush etc he has done ALOT for the classic show and for that alone deserves not to be 'wiped' from it's history....

Chibbers on the other hand could go without any problem - a po faced too self opinionated  kid who had the nerve to insult Pip and Jane Baker...who sadly never went away just got bigger !

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sanchez ll wrote:Ian Levine has his faults and his ranting at times is indeed comical BUT in the end the true fact is his heart was in the right place re his LOVE for Dr.Who

while we might have a go at him from time to time we should remember his devotion to the show SAVED classic episodes from the folly of BBC's inept short sighted destruction of 'old b/w TV that nobody bothers with anymore' etc...

and although we might argue re Levine's contribution to the show back in the 80's again he was at least attempting to ensure some kind of basic logical continuty was maintained because he CARED about the programme

while I don't agree with some of Levine's opinions re the show, or his antics getting the show's followers rather all tarred with the same brush etc he has done ALOT for the classic show and for that alone deserves not to be 'wiped' from it's history....

Chibbers on the other hand could go without any problem - a po faced too self opinionated  kid who had the nerve to insult Pip and Jane Baker...who sadly never went away just got bigger !

Great post.

I think the vile treatment that Ian Levine has had over the years actually demonstrates how misandiristic the fandom in crowd are. They aren't just self loathing Doctor Who fans, but self loathing men too.

Ian Levine always gets accused of finishing Doctor Who in the 80's because he convinced JNT to include too many references to the past. Leaving aside how there were obviously many factors as to why DW finished (and quite frankly Levine doesn't even get a look in)

Why aren't these same people who still bitch about Levine ruining the show just as angry at the SJW fans like Whovian Feminism who have evidently influenced the makers of new who?

The writers and directors of New Who have met up with Whovian feminisn, promoted her blog, and interviewed her. This coupled with the fact that Moffat always complainined about how unfair it is he has called sexist, and then later said he had to do better to not be racist and sexist apparently, pretty much shows that the SJW's have had an influence on the Peter Capaldi era.

That and the fact that you know everything they wanted has happened in the show from ALL time lords being rewritten to be non binary, a racist spin off against white people, the companion taking over the show because the Doctor being the hero in his own series is sexist according to them, the Doctor going on about history being white washed, constant anti men remarks, and finally the Doctor being a woman too.

Of course ironically the SJW's influence on the show has also actually hurt it greatly too. Its caused it to shed two million every single year. 10 million watched Matt Smith's last episode, whilst at one point barely above 2 million were watching Peter Capaldi's last series. I know viewers are down in general, but that is an absolutely catastrophic fall in viewers. 5 times fewer people are watching DW now.


Yet not one of the fandom in crowd, like Neil Perryman, Keith Topping etc comments on it. Instead they still go on about how JNT's biggest problem was in pandering to people like Ian Levine, and how that sunk the show (even though I might add that when Levine was there, Peter Davison's first season to Colin Bakers first season, the viewers were perfectly fine, and we all know it was only cancelled because the Beeb had the knives out for it.)

Thus even if they were pandering to Ian Levine then ironically that was clearly a better fan to pander to as not only was the show healthy and popular, but it also produced, Earthshock, Caves of Androzani, Resurrection of the Daleks, Attack of the Cybermen, as opposed to fucking Death in Heaven, Hellbent, and Kill the Moon.

However because Ian Levine is a guy, and viewed with disdain by the fandom in crowd then he regularly gets cited as someone who killed Doctor Who, whilst all of the feminist "fans" get pandered too and told that they are good for the fandom. Its a fucking joke.

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