Posers I was hating Paul Cornell before it was trendy

When everyone was kissing his arse, I was the one writing essays about what a wanker he was. He should have mentioned me.



Also glad to see the majority are finally turning against this no canon law.

The virtue signalling has been particularly nauseating lately, even by his standards.

People who previously didn't pay much attention are finally starting to notice.

I much Nerdrotic to other YouTubers. He's less loud and more concise.

Paul Cornell is a massive fraud. The mass blocking of fans is indicative of the fact that he prefers to live in a fantasy world where everyone loves him and that everything he says is right. Funny, it's a pretty "cowardly" thing to do and I've definitely seen him be "cruel" before. He isn't very good at taking his own advice, is he?

I still blame Cornell for making the Wilderness years so miserable for curious new fans like me.

I wanted to get some good pointers for which old episodes to seek out and explore, but going by him and Keith Toppling's shitty and infantile Discontinuity Guide, pretty much the whole book seemed to be telling me not to bother and detailing how rubbish and inept it supposedly all was.

Tanmann wrote:I still blame Cornell for making the Wilderness years so miserable for curious new fans like me.

I wanted to get some good pointers for which old episodes to seek out and explore, but going by him and Keith Toppling's shitty and infantile Discontinuity Guide, pretty much the whole book seemed to be telling me not to bother and detailing how rubbish and inept it supposedly all was.

Well said Tanman. I too have always blamed Paul Cornell for helping to create the insecure, self loathing fanboy mentality that we see run rampant on GB.

He is also a terrible bully who forced his opinion on other people too.

I never read the Discontinuity Guide. I'm glad I just always followed what my parents and their friends, IE more casual viewers said about the Classic series, that it was a fun, scary, adventure show, the Buffy of it's day. That stopped me from being a self loathing fanboy.

Pepsi Maxil wrote:I much Nerdrotic to other YouTubers. He's less loud and more concise.

Paul Cornell is a massive fraud. The mass blocking of fans is indicative of the fact that he prefers to live in a fantasy world where everyone loves him and that everything he says is right. Funny, it's a pretty "cowardly" thing to do and I've definitely seen him be "cruel" before. He isn't very good at taking his own advice, is he?

Yes I like Gary too. Despite his praising of some Tennant stories I don't like, like Human Nature (why do so many people like that shitfest? It's one of the poorest stories I've ever seen and a total fucking cliche. Watch the Angel episode I Will Remember You, or the Xena episode where she accidentally kills a young boy, to see that idea done competently.)

Overall Nerdrotic is very measured and fair in his criticisms. It just makes it all the more hilarious when he is smeared as alt right, or a Nazi by morons like Shilbee.

Having said that though we do have to remember the vile abuse Bowlestrek got off of Gallifrey Base made him so angry. I was a bit like that calling her Pisstaker (which I regret.) I haven't watched Bowlestrek in a month now. I don't know what his current content is like.

ClockworkOcean wrote:The virtue signalling has been particularly nauseating lately, even by his standards.

People who previously didn't pay much attention are finally starting to notice.

He had to get rumbled sooner or later. I wonder how long before someone discovers this article he did about 50/50.

I had always thought he was a clueless hack who just didn't get the show, but this was the first time I realised what a total arsehole he was.

Paul Cornell: 50/50

That was 2012.

It's a shame because I enjoy a lot of his work (tiresome political references aside) and somehow had this idea in mind that he was one of the more dispositionally quiet Who writers. I'm not totally shocked that he's an ultra liberal woketard, but I am still disappointed. On the other hand, it amuses me to see the likes of Gareth Roberts (tremendously underrated writer for the show) bitching about him.

I enjoy Cornell regardless, his views are his own and if he doesn't want to change, why should we insist he does?

As for Gary...I'm just done with him and people like him. Far too vindictive, nasty, and incapable of moving on from what offends them, no matter how many times they say they're 'done' and that their franchises are dead, they never ever truly back it up by ceasing to talk about it...why? Because of the revenue that comes with talking about the brands.

They had a point when they started, but now they're smug gits consumed more with making money using hate clicks, they're just as bad as the people they go after now.

Zarius wrote:I enjoy Cornell regardless, his views are his own and if he doesn't want to change, why should we insist he does?

As for Gary...I'm just done with him and people like him. Far too vindictive, nasty, and incapable of moving on from what offends them, no matter how many times they say they're 'done' and that their franchises are dead, they never ever truly back it up by ceasing to talk about it...why? Because of the revenue that comes with talking about the brands.

They had a point when they started, but now they're smug gits consumed more with making money using hate clicks, they're just as bad as the people they go after now.

Here I must protest.

The NotMyDoctor Crowd are nowhere near as bad as the SJWs.

To start with they are protesting against something they love being changed and destroyed. The Claudia Boleyn's, the Whovians Feminism's etc meanwhile, attacked the show simply because it starred a white man.

And they did. I've provided countless examples of their anti men bigotry, and how they don't care about female heroes, only in tearing male ones down etc.

The only way Nerdrotic and Bowlestrek could be as bad as the SJWs, is if they went to a female franchise like Xena and demanded that either all the female roles like Xena and Callisto were changed to male for the remake, gloated in the most nasty, petty, infantile, childish ways to lifelong female Xena fans when that happened "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA IT'S GLORIOUS SEEING THESE UGLY FAT STUPID BITCHES LOSE A ROLE MODEL HAHAHAHAHAHAHA"

Or at least put enough pressure through bullying on the makers to the point where the leading women were undermined for male characters, made weak, insulted for being women, "the world is full of estrogen, it's unbearable" and Lucy Lawless' original iconic performance was slandered as a misandristic moron like Hartnell's Doctor, or when Jodie herself said "DW has always celebrated the male gaze."

Second of all, even at their worst, Bowlestrek and Nerdrotic's tactics are nowhere near as bad. Yes Bowlestrek might sound silly when he calls Jodie "Whittaker the hateful", but he doesn't accuse her of wanting to gas the mentally ill, encouraging women to rape little boys, nor does he accuse people who disagree with him in the fandom of bestiality.

You know me, I am a firm supporter in the Horse Shoe Theory, but this isn't an example of that.

Mary Whitehouse is really the right wing version of the SJWs, though saying that got me banned on GB forever, only because cucks like Culfy and Count Alucard know that's true.

I understand where you come from, I really do, I just find the negativity on both sides very unhealthy now, I don't like reading or watching it much. I try to stay out of these things more because I'm worried for everybody else's state of mine.

There's some really nice things coming out of this lockdown, the younger fans are starting to create their own minisodes too, but I get supremely frustrated I can't share any of that here because all it'll get is vitriol, disinterest, and mockery, it upsets me because those fans are not the Claudias, Who Addicts, or Shillbees of the world, and they have a right to enjoy the timeless child twist more than either party I'm sick to hearing the back end of. They're making the most out of the situation and using it to get inspirational and creative, thinking forward rather than walk on eggshells over what should or should not "be" in Doctor Who. Their unshackled from all that, and I find that fairly cool. I've seen a lot of well made videos, essays, and fanfiction come out of it.

Was the timeless children thing neccersary? No, was it executed well? No, is the lemon sour? Yes, but the lemonade it's making tastes pretty good.

Again, I'm not going to change anyone's minds here, not Nerderotic fans, not  Cornells', not yours...just trying to make my stance clear that I find the ongoing culture war a mental taxation and I'm doing my utmost to avoid it from here on in.

I agree with Zarius. I can't be fucked with any of it.

Zarius wrote:I understand where you come from, I really do, I just find the negativity on both sides very unhealthy now, I don't like reading or watching it much. I try to stay out of these things more because I'm worried for everybody else's state of mine.

There's some really nice things coming out of this lockdown, the younger fans are starting to create their own minisodes too, but I get supremely frustrated I can't share any of that here because all it'll get is vitriol, disinterest, and mockery, it upsets me because those fans are not the Claudias, Who Addicts, or Shillbees of the world, and they have a right to enjoy the timeless child twist more than either party I'm sick to hearing the back end of. They're making the most out of the situation and using it to get inspirational and creative, thinking forward rather than walk on eggshells over what should or should not "be" in Doctor Who. Their unshackled from all that, and I find that fairly cool.

Was the timeless children thing neccersary? No, was it executed well? No, is the lemon sour? Yes, but the lemonade it's making tastes pretty good.

Well I certainly would not mock a fans passion projects and I never have. I know I get a laugh out of the lesbian drawings of Missy and Jodie, but that's not the drawings themselves. That's the fact that the Fitzroy Crowd have taken us to the point where Hartnell and Delgado can now star in lesbian porn.

The young fans however don't know any better.

Still I don't think we can say the Timeless Children inspired a lot of great creativity. These people would have been inspired anyway. It's Doctor Who as a concept that is inspiring them, not the Timeless Children.

I get feeling upset at the constant negativity, but again ask who created that atmosphere? Who were the first people to resort to slander? Dragging petty politics into a show about a man who lives in a magic box. Who was it that turned DW from something fun, into a bloody battleground between the extreme left and right.

Ultimately whilst the negativity might be annoying, I feel that it is important to make it known what has caused this decline so it doesn't happen again. That's why I took on the GB idiots as if they are made to look foolish, even by one person that's a good thing.

If we want to save DW then we have to fight for it, for lack of a better term.

Again look at Godzilla. It went the same way, there was an in name only adaptation in 1998, but the fans made it clear that was NOT what they wanted, and so the real big G returned.

The same can happen for DW, we just have to be clear about it. No more "DW had to be a poor man's Buffy in order to succeed." The fight for True Who begins now.

Nerdotic is absolutely the more tolerable of the YouTube contrarians (alongside Midnight's Edge and MauLer) because he can present he case without berating the viewer. Bowlestrek makes good points but he is utterly listenable and unwatchable thanks to having more Edge than the guitarist from U2.

But yes, Paul Cornell's mini-sode is the straw which broke the camel's back for me and finally motivated me to join this community. Especially as a Martha fan. So, she basically endured racial humiliation, added near-death experiences and further unrequited affections just so the object of her affections could undo everything they achieved together.

Got it.

FYI - Jodie is not the first female Doctor, Paul. Check out the latest finale.

TheCuomoDoctor wrote:Nerdotic is absolutely the more tolerable of the YouTube contrarians (alongside Midnight's Edge and MauLer) because he can present he case without berating the viewer. Bowlestrek makes good points but he is utterly listenable and unwatchable thanks to having more Edge than the guitarist from U2.

But yes, Paul Cornell's mini-sode is the straw which broke the camel's back for me and finally motivated me to join this community. Especially as a Martha fan. So, she basically endured racial humiliation, added near-death experiences and further unrequited affections just so the object of her affections could undo everything they achieved together.

Got it.

FYI - Jodie is not the first female Doctor, Paul. Check out the latest finale.

Never even thought of that, you're right that's just another reason to dislike it, and relegate the Jodie era to non canon from ALL previous DW stories.

Strange how Jodie's Doctor had nothing to say about John Smith's behaviour in that episode.

Oh, he was human and not a Timelord.

RACISSSSSS

A large part of my motivation for these last few posts of mine is because just as the lockdown started and Jodie put out her video messages to stay home and support the NHS, Noel of TARDIS Zone viciously went after Jodie, saying she was 'scaring kids' and still being cruel to her. From there on in, I was done with him. It's not about what's right and wrong in a television show anymore, it's become a hate campaign against the actress and production crew and I can't in good conscience support it.

The show itself is a racist, sexist hate campaign and has been since 2015. The conduct of certain people on the opposing side has been excessive and crosses a line I wouldn't cross myself, but I have zero sympathy for anyone who still chooses to be involved in NuWho. They chose to get abusive first, without provocation, and for reasons vastly more reprehensible. Unpleasant and petty as they can sometimes be, the anti-Chibnall crowd are merely responding to behaviour, and aren't motivated by an irrational hatred or prejudice against innocent people because of their immutable characteristics. To claim that they're as bad as each other is a false equivalence.

If they want to be seen as right, they need to be willing to rise above their grudges and show a little humanity, understanding and empathy, going after the stars because they're encouraging nation wide safety measures doesn't make them look anything other than overly senseless and looking for ANY reason to go after them, choosing the right targets, but using the wrong ammunition. This is a worldwide health crisis going on, now is not the time to fret over what is being thrown into a bloody kids' show.

And I don't feel personally insulted by the show or what it's doing either. I'm annoyed at it, but I don't think about it as deeply as you guys do. I don't see it as the end of the world, I see it as a phase people are going through that they'll grow out of.

There's only so many times you can hear "RIP Doctor Who" and then it doesn't happen. The show is going forward, with an ideology you can choose to back or not, but the one thing you nor I can do about it is change their position.

I'm choosing to enjoy what I've got, I don't care if that's an unpopular choice, this franchise which I've followed since I was a boy still makes me smile now and then, helps fuel my creativity, and is making me smile even more through this crisis, while all these people are doing is eroding that joy and getting ad revenue from it.

i feel they don't care about the message anymore, I feel like they go to extremes purely for the money.

I respect your side, I respect your arguments, but I'm going to keep watching the show and enjoy what comes out of it if it so pleases me, and avoid the toxicity on both ends.

If I was a woman in the comics industry and Cornell specifically boycotted a panel to ensure I got a place on it just because of what's between my legs, rather than anything to do with my merit, I'd be fucking insulted!

Zarius wrote:I understand where you come from, I really do, I just find the negativity on both sides very unhealthy now, I don't like reading or watching it much. I try to stay out of these things more because I'm worried for everybody else's state of mine.

There's some really nice things coming out of this lockdown, the younger fans are starting to create their own minisodes too, but I get supremely frustrated I can't share any of that here because all it'll get is vitriol, disinterest, and mockery, it upsets me because those fans are not the Claudias, Who Addicts, or Shillbees of the world, and they have a right to enjoy the timeless child twist more than either party I'm sick to hearing the back end of. They're making the most out of the situation and using it to get inspirational and creative, thinking forward rather than walk on eggshells over what should or should not "be" in Doctor Who. Their unshackled from all that, and I find that fairly cool. I've seen a lot of well made videos, essays, and fanfiction come out of it.

Was the timeless children thing neccersary? No, was it executed well? No, is the lemon sour? Yes, but the lemonade it's making tastes pretty good.

Again, I'm not going to change anyone's minds here, not Nerderotic fans, not  Cornells', not yours...just trying to make my stance clear that I find the ongoing culture war a mental taxation and I'm doing my utmost to avoid it from here on in.

Well my position is, all power to them if the young fans get something from this. Maybe if I was their age I'd be doing the same and going wild with my imagination at what's now possible.

I just feel angry that it was a needlessly divisive development that alienated more fans than it kept, for reasons that baffle me considering those kids might've liked the show just as much if the lore had stayed as it was beforehand. I don't think the show has gained much. Certainly not more than it has lost.

The kids may like it now, but I suspect as they get older and more discerning and less fickle about what they like, they might find that a show that flaunts its lore and decides all things are possible now, just isn't as interesting and doesn't have as much staying power, as one that stuck faithfully to the lore it had. It may have given their imagination a sugar rush but by its nature that fades.

Personally I think I could've lived with Series 11, as something I could take or leave. I'm not terribly a fan of the female Doctor idea but I wasn't quite as affronted as I thought I'd be by the idea (or maybe I'd just stopped caring). If the show had ended on Battle of Rask or Resolution I could've lived with that brief Jodie run as a bit of a simplistic take on the show. Series 12 just sounds like a retconning nightmare and work of vandalism.

Sometimes I think the show can't recover from it, other times I think maybe it might just go on to be ignored by any future reboot, same way as the EDA's continuity was dismissed by the 2005 reboot. Maybe by then, the 'wokeness' of today will be looked back on cringingly by the pop culture media of the future like a lot of strange fashions and fads of the past are now.

Other times I fear too many fans have lost heart and stopped caring to keep the flame alive. Just like I fear is true of Star Wars.

As for Cornell, the problem I have with him is that he's effectively propagating all these notions of white male guilt and proscribing a way to deal with that guilt by being spineless and cripplingly apologetic about anything male about himself and his old tastes, and in that sense, being very blinkered and hateful about Western culture above all else.

Maybe for some he serves as a warning of how ridiculous some can take that kind of guilt complex, but for others, some might think that's what is required. It also bothers me a bit that he's probably just full of shit, and that he pulled that mass blocking stunt on the twitter watchalongs.

And again if I was a woman he was supposedly championing, I'd feel kind of patronized and insulted. Whether because he was only bigging me up for my born biological traits rather than my talents, or because if I wanted someone to be my champion, I would want them to principally have some self-respect and pride themselves, if I was to trust their conviction wasn't going to crumble.

Tanmann wrote:If I was a woman in the comics industry and Cornell specifically boycotted a panel to ensure I got a place on it just because of what's between my legs, rather than anything to do with my merit, I'd be fucking insulted!

He also treats certain groups as if they're all inept children who can't put one foot in front of the other without needing assistance. He's very condescending.