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Elizabeth Sandifier rips The Timeless Child apart

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burrunjor

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Hilarious. Of all the people to turn on the revival. I found this after someone on GB, one of the few sane people brought this up as an example of the shows decline. I normally wouldn't ever dream of reading her stuff.

Still look at this. She is actually right in everything she says.

Elizabeth Sandifier wrote:I suppose there’s nowhere to begin other than the big reveal, given that it is by an outlandish margin the single worst lore reveal in the entire history of Doctor Who. Making the Doctor the secret origin of all of the Time Lords is absolutely appalling—the sort of “the main character must be the center of the mythology” crap that Doctor Who is historically at its best when it rebels against. Instead of being the schlubby mediocrity who ran away and stumbled through becoming a hero without ever realizing that was what they were working towards, the Doctor is now the Most Specialist Time Lord That Ever Did Time Lord, with magic powers above and beyond the other Time Lords and origins stretching back beyond even the days of Rassilon. The series is now committed to an endless parade of reveals about the secret history of Gallifrey, all of which the Doctor was apparently there for. It’s genuinely terrible—a reveal that takes the dumbest instincts of the Virgin era and strips off the brakes and hedges. It’s not the Other but the Doctor themself that’s at the heart of Gallifreyan history now. It’s as if the Cartmel Masterplan fucked the Leekley Bible and then gave the illegitimate child away to Ian Levine to foster.

Elizabeth Sandifier wrote:Is there a way back from this? It’s honestly tough to say. Doctor Who has ignored revelations this big before (indeed, it’s difficult to see how “half human on my mother’s side” could possibly be true now, despite apparently being confirmed by Hell Bent, which, to be fair, it remains unclear whether Chibnall has actually seen), but that was aided by nine years off the air and a revival that spent a few years being deathly allergic to continuity. This is obviously going to be picked up on next season. And by asking specific questions tied to big chunks of lore, it effectively hangs a loaded gun on the mantlepiece. Unlike the Hybrid, where Moffat cleaned up after himself and ensured that nobody would ever have to deal with his earth-shattering revelations about the Doctor’s origin again, Chibnall has set this up to be reckoned with. Obviously his story is ongoing and he has reveals to include, but he’s deliberately opened a gap larger than he can fill. Any revelation about the past lore of Gallifrey now has the Doctor written into it as a major figure.

Much like someone was (and is) always going to bring back Gallifrey, some writer is going to give in to the easy temptation of delving into the vast secret history of the Doctor/Time Lords. We are very likely stuck with this radically different view of what Doctor Who lore is like. Much like Robert Holmes’s “twelve regenerations” line, this is something that’s going to come back. Except that Holmes was just hurriedly solving a plot problem in the story he was writing. Chibnall absolutely intends to be forcing every future writer to play in his sandbox. His goal is to shove Doctor Who into the straitjacket of bog standard cult SF lore reveals. That the result doesn’t make a goddamn bit of sense, trampling gamely on continuity from An Unearthly Child (why the hell is the Ruth Doctor’s TARDIS a police box? To say nothing of the characterization in that story as the Doctor learns to be a hero, something he apparently always was given his status as a Super Secret Agent for the Time Lords) to Time of the Doctor (so what, did the Time Lords just send an idle wisp of energy at the Doctor for show?) is beside the point. This is the lore now. Even if some subsequent writer goes to the heroic lengths to ignore this that it deserves, we’re stuck with this as a Major Revelation to be explored. Maybe something not terrible can come out of this. More likely, this is the rare story that does permanent damage to what Doctor Who is.

And finally most shocking of all.

Elizabeth Sandifier wrote:I’d say “we’ll see,” but I’m honestly not sure. For the first time since the TV Movie, I feel prepared to walk away from Doctor Who. I honestly don’t know if I’m going to review Revolution of the Daleks. I honestly don’t know if I’m going to do a Whittaker-era Eruditorum. I don’t actually think there’s anything to be said about this era of Doctor Who, and I’m not sure I care about anything that follows up on rendering the show a piece of generic sci-fi television for the convention crowd. This isn’t good television. It isn’t interesting television. And while I reserve the right to change my mind, I honestly don’t think I want to watch it anymore.

Did anyone think it would blow up to this extent?

All I'll say is I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO! This is what happens when you adopt the all change is good mantra and nothing is sacred Sandifier. You sneered at me being alt right for that, but well if you'd listened to me, then the show would still be the way you like it, ironically.



Do I seem smug right now?

Tanmann

Tanmann
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I dunno.

She still seemingly has to find a way via gymnastics to try and somehow blame it on Ian Levine rather than her own SJW camp.

I've always said Ian Levine actually was to the show in the 1980's what the SJW's are to it now, but that was very much in the past tense. He is definitely *not* the SJW's to it right now. The SJW's are.

Tanmann

Tanmann
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burrunjor wrote:I normally wouldn't ever dream of reading her stuff.

I actually have two of her books on Kindle. One on the Williams era, the other on the JNT/Saward years. Some of her reviews in there are incredibly spot on.

One or two make me feel like chucking my Kindle against the wall because of how incredibly sanctimonious they come across against fans who liked Earthshock's and The Five Doctors' monster parades, and of course the shilling for RTD is sometimes a bit nauseating.

Infinitic

Infinitic

Never heard 'bout the gal, but she's right Wink

burrunjor

burrunjor

Tanmann wrote:I dunno.

She still seemingly has to find a way via gymnastics to try and somehow blame it on Ian Levine rather than her own SJW camp.

I've always said Ian Levine actually was to the show in the 1980's what the SJW's are to it now, but that was very much in the past tense. He is definitely *not* the SJW's to it right now. The SJW's are.

Yeah that's true and that part of it was laughable. I think she's just not ready to admit she was completely wrong yet.

Still this ultimately looks like something you'd expect to see written here by yours truly. It shows you how everyone barring the shills on GB have turned against it now.

Tanmann

Tanmann
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burrunjor wrote:I think she's just not ready to admit she was completely wrong yet.

And on that day, Satan will need a snow-plow.

UncleDeadly

UncleDeadly

Wow.

Elizabeth Sandifer, I take back some of the things I said about you.

It’s as if the Cartmel Masterplan fucked the Leekley Bible and then gave the illegitimate child away to Ian Levine to foster.

That's actually bloody funny.

UncleDeadly

UncleDeadly

Tanmann wrote:She still seemingly has to find a way via gymnastics to try and somehow blame it on Ian Levine rather than her own SJW camp.

Good point.

Tanmann wrote:And on that day, Satan will need a snow-plow.

Agreed. That will never happen.

Re; Sandifer's "work", though, I've read a little online. Enough to determine that I can quite happily live without it. As for buying it, I wouldn't touch something calling itself "Tardis Eruditorium" with a bargepole. That can go straight into Pseud's Corner.

burrunjor

burrunjor

UncleDeadly wrote:Wow.

Elizabeth Sandifer, I take back some of the things I said about you.

It’s as if the Cartmel Masterplan fucked the Leekley Bible and then gave the illegitimate child away to Ian Levine to foster.

That's actually bloody funny.

I know that one impressed me too. I was even contemplating making it my new signature here, but I love Dana Delorenzo too much LOL.

Sandifier is 100 percent right about it containing the worst of both Cartmel and Leeky's crap, though I'd say it's worse.

Not only is it a worse story. (At least the Cartmel Masterplan didn't take away the Doctors agency, similarly even the Leeky Bible still had him be responsible for his own actions and didn't make him the pivot of everything.)

It's also worse in what it does to the series, as at least the Leeky Bible would have just been a reboot that had nothing to do with the original.

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I almost feel sorry for Jodie. She was simply The Doctor when it happened. I have this image of Tom Baker still as The Doctor, yelling “Distilled whippet shit!” and throwing a huge amount of New Who scripts in the bin.

burrunjor

burrunjor

Bill wrote:I almost feel sorry for Jodie. She was simply The Doctor when it happened. I have this image of Tom Baker still as The Doctor, yelling “Distilled whippet shit!” and throwing a huge amount of New Who scripts in the bin.

I agree. Jodie is just as an actress. Okay her take on the Doctor is awful (though better than Jo Martin, as at least Jodie is somewhat likable in a sweet way.)

Still as I have said before a woman would always jar, and on top of that given the AWFUL way Chibbers has written the 13th Doctor, it wouldn't matter who played it. They could have got say Morgana Robinson, a crazy, eccentric, character actress anbd she would still be awful if she had to deliver lines like.

"You lot are so busy arguing about the dishes you can't see the house burning down."

Chibnall and Moffat, and the poisonous fandom and the BBC in general are to blame for the destruction of the series. Jodie is almost irrelevent.

(I do admit to having got frustrated with her when she did that obnoxious reaction video. That was when I called her Pisstaker, which was too far, but I reckon she was just under contract to do it. It's not like Jo Martin smearing a fellow actor, just on her twitter page. I also resent Jo who has played the role for all of 15 mins being included in a video with fucking Tom Baker and Slyvester McCoy.)

Still Jodie is barely on the list of people who killed DW as far as I'm concerned. Maybe she's number 100 or something LOL.

As for Tom, well I heard he used to throw scripts by Robert Holmes across the room for not being good enough. One can imagine with this in mind, he'd have to have chopped Chibnalls hands off.

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