Series 11

Zarius wrote:Learned something interesting on Twitch, they had some of the series eleven writers in for a giveaway of free Doctor Who S11 DVDs, and during the live stream the entire chat booed the writers and insulted them

burrunjor wrote:

Commander Maxil wrote:What does she do in the book? Pick her nose and then slice down a bunch of white males with a chainsaw?

The book overall is sadly a mess. I LOVED the first half of it. The first half is clearly taken straight from Tom and Ian's script with very little tinkering. Its basically an old Hinchcliff era story, with no references to New Who.

The second part meanwhile has its moments like Charon's taxi ride, the Lizard torturing the Doctor by being a crushing bore, and the pin ball machine fight. All of these are again Tom's ideas (you can tell even if you didn't know the background.)

Also the idea behind Scratchman that Ian and Tom dreamed up is absolutely inspired. Scratchman would have made a fantastic recurring foe for the Doctor. He's both terrifying and hilarious.

Sadly however the second half of the book is clearly where the New Who hack and shill takes over and he butchers what could have been one of the greatest DW stories of any medium.

To start with there are far too many continuity references. The first, second and third Doctors appear as scarecrows in hell to torment the 4th Doctor.

No way would Tom who famously said "OTHER DOCTORS!" when asked who his fave was want them to be included, and quite rightly so. This isn't a multi Doctor story, and something as big as the first 4 Doctors appearing together shouldn't be crowbarred into the end of a story that's not about that for no reason. That's a bad fanfic author who does that.

Also there's nonsense about being kind, and the Doctor makes references about how he will one day wear stilleto heels too.

Furthermore the Doctor is made out to be the pivot of the universe and an angry god again like in New Who. There is a lot of macho shit, like the Doctor just walking out in the middle of his trial because he knows the Time Lords would never dare lift a finger against him. LOL I must have dreamed that time they turned him into a galactic YoYo for years and he never actually got one over on them. He is only free to wander again because they forgive him remember! Also Trial of a Time Lord takes place after this too.

The Time Lords are also completely out of character. They are happy to destroy entire planets as though it were nothing. Remember when that was a scandal that almost broke them in Trial? Or remember them sending him to help planets like Solon and Peladon

It baffles me that people who revel in continuity so much get it wrong all the time! I think it shows contempt for Classic Who fans. They think we are morons who will jump like trained seals at the mention of say Androzani and the Brig, and not care about anything else.

Personally I wouldn't care if they never mentioned an old story or Doctor. What mention of Hartnell was there in Pyramids of Mars? Just write the Doctor as the fucking Doctor and write a proper story!

Also they do the New Who shit of making out that the Doctor is terrified of regeneration, and that all the Doctors are totally different people, different consciousness, different minds etc. Tom's Doctor is like Tennant with his I don't want to go shit, which is completely out of character.

That was NEVER part of it in old who. It makes 0 sense to have the Doctors be different people.

If the writers had wanted that, then they could have easily had William Hartnell's Doctor die in the Tenth Planet, and another member of his kind take over, and reveal that The Doctor was a title passed down to members of his kind, whose job is to explore and catalogue the universe.

Audiences would have bought that no problem, and then each of the Doctors could literally be as different as they wanted. (Hey I don't doubt we would have had a female Doctor during the original run if that was the case.)

However they came up with regeneration because it allowed them to still keep it as the same character, but change it in practical ways to allow a new actor to play it. Sadly the New Who morons don't seem to get that, hence why Bill Hartnell is now a lesbian icon.

Also Jodie's cameos are absolutely awful. Worse than you can imagine.

The woman with the rainbow striped across her hearts was waiting for me, skimming stones out to sea. I went and stood beside her. I picked up a pebble, and tried to throw it. It sank with a plunk.
'Not bad! You get better at it, though', she said kindly, and then sent another pebble, bouncing across five sets of waves.
'I'll try not to look jealous,' I said, watching another stone sink.
'You just have to put the time in,' she told me. 'And you will.'
We skimmed some more pebbles, some more, some less.
'A lot of people died here. More than I'd like,' she told me critically.
I nodded. 'The argument that more would have died if I'd done nothing is my least favourite kind of tidying up. But it's done.'
'And now you're playing games?' She raised an eyebrow.

Pretty much ruined the book. Its like taunting the older fans, having Jodie Nosepicker show up and basically say she would have done things better, and scolding Tom, who in contrast to his usual proud self, is emasculated.

Such a shame that this book was wrecked by James Goss. Fucking cunt.

I hope that they make a movie of Scratchman one day. The original idea and premise is still sound.

I would love to see a film version of Scratchman released in 2023, for the 60th that ignores New Who, and serves as the pilot to another series.

My cast would be obviously the same cast for the alternate sequel, Julian Richings as the Doctor, Dana Delorenzo and Colin O'Donaghue as the companions, and for Scratchman IMO Bruce Campbell would be awesome.

Mark Hamill should play Charon, and Patrick Stewart should play the pompous Lizard. That would be so cool. Sadly I know its a pipe dream now, but you never know, given how bad series 11 flopped.

For what it's worth I will also be doing my own version of Scratchman. I will want to use the Scratchman character for some of my later stories, so I need a version of it to be canon to my series, so I'm going to do my own. Rest assured there will be no Jodie Nosepicker cameos. (Unless its as a vision to torture the Doctor in hell!)

So what happened to that "Great book" you were telling us about, Burrunjor? Wink

Boofer wrote:

Zarius wrote:Learned something interesting on Twitch, they had some of the series eleven writers in for a giveaway of free Doctor Who S11 DVDs, and during the live stream the entire chat booed the writers and insulted them

Any screen caps?

burrunjor wrote:

So what happened to that "Great book" you were telling us about, Burrunjor? Wink

Well I was a bit premature in saying it was great. I was only through the first bit which is excellent. It is such a good idea too. The idea of Scratchman being a monster that travels from universe to universe eating them, and the previous universe he destroyed are great ideas.

Its one of the darkest stories in the shows history, with the Doctor failing to save an entire universe at the end.

Its just a shame that they had to turn it into fan fiction. Its a shame Tom didn't write more books.

Queen Angvia wrote:

burrunjor wrote:

So what happened to that "Great book" you were telling us about, Burrunjor? Wink

Well I was a bit premature in saying it was great. I was only through the first bit which is excellent. It is such a good idea too. The idea of Scratchman being a monster that travels from universe to universe eating them, and the previous universe he destroyed are great ideas.

Its one of the darkest stories in the shows history, with the Doctor failing to save an entire universe at the end.

Its just a shame that they had to turn it into fan fiction. Its a shame Tom didn't write more books.

Finished Scratchman and, tbh, I wasn't that impressed. I don't exactly know why, I should really love this book - Tom is by far my favourite Doctor and he has a smashing, absurdly morbid writing style, but somehow I was left cold. Maybe I expected too much (one fan review described the book as 'Doctor Who Meets The Wicker Man' - how cool would that be?), maybe it was the inclusion of Jodie Friggin' Whittaker's incarnation (who appears twice in the book, though isn't actually named as the 13th Doctor), or maybe it was Jame Goss' input, or most probably because there aren't many startlingly original ideas in the whole book (well, apart from the giant pinball machine scene).  Not original to a reader in 2019, at least. Back in the mid-'70's when it was first conceived, I dare say Scratchman would have been a delightfully barmy new kind of Doctor Who story (movie) but reading a book version of the film script in 2019 now only reminds me of other stuff we've seen before...

*Spoilers*

The Doctor on trial by his own people - The War Games and The Trial of a Timelord.

Killer Scarecrows - Human Nature/The Family of Blood and the 1998 BBC book 'The Hollow Men'.

The Doctor, companions and local residents trapped in a church while monsters try to break in - The Curse of Fenric and Father's Day.

The Doctor encounters The Devil (or a version of him, at least) - The Daemons and The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit.

Plus, while there are certainly many grim/nasty scenes of horror in Scratchman, the book also contains the distinctively NuWho 'soppiness' that the old series rarely had - the Doctor is often presented as an impossibly silly, yet wonderful, kind-hearted, Space Father Christmas (I bet those bits were Goss' contribution).

Disappointed (though I did appreciate the George Formby references in the first part of the book!).

Zarius wrote:

Mandip Gill wrote:"The stories resonate through the characters. They're very relatable to modern society, and I think that's something we need to thank Chris Chibnall and the writing team for – that they're able to write something that can relate to so many people while having sci-fi in it."

ClockworkOcean wrote: The only reason you haven't come in for the same amount of contempt as your co-star is that the interminable blandness of your performance tends to make us forget that you even exist.

ClockworkOcean wrote:

Mandip Gill wrote:"The stories resonate through the characters. They're very relatable to modern society, and I think that's something we need to thank Chris Chibnall and the writing team for – that they're able to write something that can relate to so many people while having sci-fi in it."

Oh, FUCK OFF. We're supposed to THANK Chinballs for taking a show whose entire claim to fame was being the world's oldest science fiction series and almost completely stripping it of its science fiction elements in order to placate a loudmouthed minority of deranged, bigoted, narcissistic wankers obsessed with "seeing themselves" in contrived pseudo-characters shoehorned in on the basis of their skin colour and genitalia? Doctor Who's primary virtue has always been that it's a relatively accessible, mainstream show powered by big ideas and unbounded imagination, a fact that remained true to some extent even during the most patronisingly populist years of the revival. A show for intelligent, thoughtful children with a thirst for adventure, mystery, horror and intricate sci-fi concepts. You scumbags took that away from them, and history will judge you for it.

If this woke preaching + amateurish drama + conciliatory monsters bullshit really is the show you want to make, then here's an idea - start your own fucking franchise and let it stand on its own two feet rather than cynically hijacking the world's oldest sci-fi horror institution. You won't, of course, because you know that this utter trash would fall flat on its face if it weren't scrounging publicity from the legacy of something vastly superior.

Oh, and sorry to have to break it to you, sweetie, but your demographic checkbox on legs is neither relatable nor resonant. The only reason you haven't come in for the same amount of contempt as your co-star is that the interminable blandness of your performance tends to make us forget that you even exist.

ClockworkOcean wrote:Piss off, Moffat. It's not your fucking place to lecture your fans customers on what they should or shouldn't enjoy.

bryanbraddock wrote:

ClockworkOcean wrote:Piss off, Moffat. It's not your fucking place to lecture your fans customers on what they should or shouldn't enjoy.

Quite so.

As much as I hate Rusty & Chinball I detest Moftwat more than any other figure in Doctor Who history. Chinball may be a dreadful writer, an unashamed beta inter-sectional feminist who cast a woman in the role because of his cucked views, but he couldn't have done it without the way being paved for him by that cowardly afro ballbag with his constant future is female agenda.

Moftwat was responsible for River Pong,Clara,Ashildr,Mels,Tasha Lame,Sally Spunkow,Professional slag Madame Depommpawhore, Cockerny Jenny tipping the velvet Flint, her lezzard Girlfriend the Scottish Gecko and of course the ultimate abomination - the Mary Poppins Master herself Missy.

Has one writer ever created so much cancer in Doctor Who history than Brillopad head?
Moftwat's opinions on Doctor Who are worthless and always have been.

TheTimeTraveller wrote:

Shipping Nurse Who and the equity casting unconvincing police officer. And they have the balls to say any of these talentless car crashes have chemistry.

Fucking highest jej

Commander Maxil wrote:What has Doctor Who brought to your life?

The main thing? Escapism. When I was younger, Doctor Who saw me through the bullying. When my marriage ended, Doctor Who was there for me.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/22/im-biggest-fan-doctor-fan-dedicated-life-time-lord-8703535/

That's why I dislike Series 11 the most. It isn't there for the real fans anymore. It despises them, insults them and wants them to bugger off. The people making it then have the audacity to complain that you're a troll because you don't like it.