A Proposition.

We change the name of this section to 'Dogturd Poo'.

Boofer wrote:We change the name of this section to 'Dogturd Poo'.

I second that.

I think it'll be carried unanimously - tho Barrowman might have something to say about that!!

Nah, 'NuPoo' is much more appropriate. It rolls off the tongue nicely and it rhymes with 'TruWho'.

NuPoo does have a certain appeal...

NuPoo has my vote

How about not changing it?

Just on the grounds that someone debating a position that's supportive to any degree might feel they're going to be climbing uphill from the outset?

shan164 wrote:How about not changing it?

Just on the grounds that someone debating a position that's supportive to any degree might feel they're going to be climbing uphill from the outset?

Agreed.

I still find there are merits to New Who, even if the quality is seldom. There's plenty of crap in Old Who too.

shan164 wrote:How about not changing it?

Just on the grounds that someone debating a position that's supportive to any degree might feel they're going to be climbing uphill from the outset?

Agreed and Thank you for voicing this! Most of my issues with NuWho are related to script writing and execution of ideas (And some terrible ideas too). But I'm not one to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

That said, I wouldn't be against a third separate forum for Chibnall/Whittaker era.

I am not sure why we have separate sections. I am not saying the new and old are equal in quality, but I just don't see the point.

Just remove New Who entirely. It's not the same show, why do we have to keep pretending it is?

Well, I think Battlestar Galactica Season 1 is the best season of television ever made and Season 4 the worst season of anything ever made and as much as I'd like to think they're two different shows, I can't ergo ...

<I>Which<I> BSG, though. Sounds like you’re talking about the reboot which is a different show compared to TOS. So that’s not really a good comparison.

No, I'm comparing the new show's Season 1 withe new show's Season 4. It goes without saying that it was a grim march for me towards the finish line at the end there.

?why is suddenly everything italicised?

Don’t know why everything is italicised.

I didn’t get past episode 1 of New!BSG. It didn’t seem to have anything at all to do with the original, other than a few character names. Though, TBH, I was tiny when TOS aired, so unlike Doctor Who that lasted into my teens, memory of BSG was probably not as good.

If you're talking about '33', that was a pretty damn good episode and everything the chase scene in The Last Jedi should have been. If you're talking about the miniseries that came before it, yes that took a while to get going and didn't really get going until the second half.

I honestly don't remember what it was now, I just remember (like with the Doctor Who Movie) being all excited that it had returned and going 'wtf is this?' when it started to air.

From what I remember, the mini took half its time to kick into gear but once it did, it picked up a lot.

Season 1 was off with an excellent first episode (and possible the best of the whole show). I think my favourite episodes of the season (over half of them), I watched over and over again. Like I said, best season of TV I've seen. Streamlining it would have made it even better.

Unfortunately, when the show went downhill, it really tanked to the point where I was grimly marching on to finish it and overall, I found it so bad, I didn't watch television for another 4 years, except for Doctor Who, I think.

The bad stuff spoiled the good stuff for me so much, I can't even look back at any of it even 10 years later. From best season to worst television show ever made on my own subjective scale was quite simply the most remarkable journey through a story I've ever had.

As bad as BSG 2004 got, I love the third season finale, and think season four's mid-season close really should have been where the show ended (it was intended to be so when the 2007 writer's strike occured)

I hated the Season 3 finale with all that all along the watchtower nonsense (that's when I really knew the show had disappeared up its own backside). Also, it was really clear they'd bungled that final five nonsense when the contradicted the fact that one of Adama's oldest friends from the war (complete with flashback from years ago) only could have turned up 8 months prior to the war that caused them to flee.

Or something. It turned into a colossal mess that made it increasingly clear the writing staff had completely lost control of what they were doing.

I completely agree with you about the mid-season finale of Season 4, I think I'd remember the show better if that's where it stopped. The final ten episodes were where I really started to hate the show.

Which is such a shame given how good the first season was, how all right the first half of the second season was (I found the latter part of the second half so bad before the finale that I only ever watched it once). Season 3 picked up for a while and the escape from the planet was excellent but then it all increasingly dropped off a cliff after that.

This is all why regardless of what happens or will happen to Doctor Who, I will very much doubt it will ever end up like this rolling disaster (I think I'm still so mad because it sucked me in with being so very good at the start).

For the record, I still think Doctor Who is OK which sometimes can be good to very good and still have occasional flashes of brilliance.