RTD Vs. Moffat

Tanmann wrote:

burrunjor wrote:Just look at Trump. They hate him for stupid reasons. They think he's Hitler which is laughable. Not one of them hates him for things they should like his actions in Venezula. Do you think Claudia Boleyn or Trilbee knows anything about that? That would require actual political analysis.

Similarly look at Tulsi (yeah okay my big obsession right now as I'm in love with her LOL.) Still why don't they all support Tulsi? She's the first non white, female candidate, so all of the Obama/Hillary lovers who supported them for those reasons should be for her for that alone.

On top of that she is the most left wing Presidential candidate there has been for decades. She's against all foreign intervention, supports universal healthcare, welfare, increasing the minimum wage etc.

They don't support her however because again they don't know who she is! You'd have to be interested in politics to know her name, and they're not. They'll just jump on the bandwagon they are told to, hence why Hillary, the most hawkish candidate there has been for decades was their progressive champion.

I don't blame you for being in love with Tulsi. She kinda gives me nice fuzzy feelings too, and a sense of hope too (which I have a horrible feeling will be stupidly dashed by her own party's moneyed interests and Joe Biden-sycophants).

As for the tribalistic retardation of the modern SJW left and the problems with the signal to noise ratio, I have to say the best book I ever read on SJW culture and why it ran out of control, was Angela Nagle's "Kill All Normies"

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kill-All-Normies-culture-alt-right/dp/1785355430

To summarize, it describes how in the online sphere of these activists, virtue-signalling became a kind of social currency, and in order to increase the value of their own virtue currency, it became the drive of them to create scarcity by finding absurd ways to denounce the less holy in their own circles with new rules and new outrages.

Ben Cobley's "The Tribe" is another good one, which I'm in the middle of currently, and I'd say he's a bit clued up as he was previously part of the Labour Party and knows how these people work and think, and goes into things like Rotherham and how it was allowed to happen.

Rob Filth wrote:Rotherham happened because the Police were still sulking and smarting over the MacPherson report which identified "institutional racism" in the force. All of the right-wing previous BNP-supporting pigs took that judgement as meaning, "Oh right, that means we'd better not nick any black or asian people any more even if they are commiting mass fucking murder because we'll get called "racist""

It was pure and utter bloody-minded and deliberate negligence.  

burrunjor wrote:Tulsi being sexy is just a bonus. It will be weird to fancy the President though if she wins.

I don't think Tulsi will be the President in 2020 (I'll still promote her though, for all the good it will do, IE NOTHING LOL.)

I think we could be in for either four more years of the Donald or Joe Biden. Either way it won't make much fucking difference. Both war mongering crooked, moronic puppets.

Still Tulsi I think could be President in 2024. We just have to bide our time, though I think Trump's second term if he wins will see him descend to Bush levels of shittness. He's now completely in thrall of the hawks unlike 2017.

Tanmann wrote:

burrunjor wrote:Tulsi being sexy is just a bonus. It will be weird to fancy the President though if she wins.

I know.

I just want to curl up in her lap as she does her speeches.

I don't think Tulsi will be the President in 2020 (I'll still promote her though, for all the good it will do, IE NOTHING LOL.)

I think we could be in for either four more years of the Donald or Joe Biden. Either way it won't make much fucking difference. Both war mongering crooked, moronic puppets.

I still don't understand why the Democrats would screw her out of the race. I know they screwed Bernie and pushed Hillary in his place because they expected Trump to lose, but this time surely they've got to know they can't underestimate his popularity again, and think about who would be the people's best choice?

But according to Prince of Queens, Biden represents the oldest generation of the circle of big moneybags, and so he will be the corporate choice.

Still Tulsi I think could be President in 2024. We just have to bide our time, though I think Trump's second term if he wins will see him descend to Bush levels of shittness. He's now completely in thrall of the hawks unlike 2017.

I worry about it kicking off with Iran, and it ending up just like Iraq again at best or going all out nuclear at worst.

And I say that out of no love for the Iranian regime, but better the devil you know.

burrunjor wrote:I still say that Trump's win over Hillary was for the best, as she would have done all the same shit, and she would have been a win for the establishment. Trump at least shook things up by his very presence. Still its time for him to go now before he really fucks things up, but as Tulsi herself said its no use getting rid of Trump if you just get the same type of guy in.

Tanmann wrote:

Rob Filth wrote:Rotherham happened because the Police were still sulking and smarting over the MacPherson report which identified "institutional racism" in the force. All of the right-wing previous BNP-supporting pigs took that judgement as meaning, "Oh right, that means we'd better not nick any black or asian people any more even if they are commiting mass fucking murder because we'll get called "racist""

It was pure and utter bloody-minded and deliberate negligence.  

That might've been part of it, but reading Ben Cobley's book, it sounds like it was a very top-down problem of negligence and fears about the optics looking bad or potentially racist if they acted, that extended to social services too, and to the Labour council itself. That mainly nothing got done because the authorities felt they could only tackle the problem by going through certain Muslim community leaders, which stopped them being pro-active about nipping it in the bud.

Tanmann wrote:Back in 2013 I'd have said Moffat over Davies. Moffat seemed to at least care about plot mechanics and being truer to the spirit of the old show. And that's what I'd probably think to this day had he left with Matt.

Then from Dark Water onwards, Moffat achieved something even RTD's worst couldn't, and actually destroyed my ability to care about the show anymore, in an almost retroactive way. As though the classic show had suddenly only ever existed for him to deconstruct and poke fun at and draw hollow fanservice and shock-value storytelling from.

Suddenly there was a gulf between Moffat's hysterical true-believer fans and embarrassed onlookers like me who just felt completely alienated.

It wasn't quite the same as RTD's hyper audience he was going for. RTD was aiming at the soap audience, the kids, and the ‘anything can happen’ late night chat show audience, as seen in TFI Friday or The Sunday Night Project. Which meant the Doctor’s character had to unfortunately be distorted and lobotomized into being like one of its unbearable, loud, narcissistic, shallow gossip-minded hosts, whether Chris Evans or Justin Lee Collins.

But I could still believe there was an element of the heroic Doctor in there somewhere, believing in a righteous cause. With Moffat's era I had no incentive to because nothing in his version of the show seemed to matter anymore. There was nothing substantial for the Doctor to be energized to crusade against. Just shadows, smoke and mirrors and shock tactics.