Genkimonk wrote:My father may be many things, but he`s non of the above and not a terrorist. It is idiotic to tar all Muslims with the same brush. My father actually allowed me to choose to practice his faith or not. A lot of Muslims are actually quite liberal.
The problem frankly lies not in Islam but its interpretation, along with tribal elements from places like Pakistan which dumb asses can`t figure out are just that and not part of the religion.
The only problem I have with Islam is (if what I`ve learned is true) that anyone can become an Imam and it has little to no vetting on that matter. There should be strict guidelines on how to become one, what one can preach and it should be monitored to make sure all are singing from the same sheet. Such a system is already in other religious institutions so why not Islam? Perhaps the British Council of Muslims could work on this as that would be a good organisation to operate it being made up of various different sects.
In the interest of fairness, I`d suggest all religious groups in the UK have such a system in place by law. It would help resolve an awful lot of problems going on in religious communities, such as homophobia in Christian organisations.
It is also wrong to think Islam is the only group carrying out these atrocities. We have Christian groups across the world abusing people. Recently there was a report on an "anti gay center" on the BBC in Equador if I recall correctly. The people there were raping woman to make them stop being lesbian. Do we now call Christianity a religion of rapists? No, we don`t.
Genkimonk than you for your intelligent and sophisticated response on this matter. Unlike others cough Mike, Seal, Lady Lusiphur cough you brought up proper arguments and didn't just tar me as a racist or a piece of bum fluff whilst boasting about how many books you've read LOL.
Now onto your points.
1/ I did not tar all Muslims with the same brush. If you'll look through all of my posts you'll only ever see scathing attacks on the ideology of Islam itself rather than on the Muslim population. Sorry but I feel jumping to that conclusion whenever someone attacks Islam is where the problem lies of people not being willing to say it like it is about the ideology of Islam as they fear that they will be seen as Nazi's who want to group all Muslims together and kill them.
Yes many ordinary Muslims are peaceful, but those Muslims I feel have either A/ abandoned the negative aspects of their faith for obvious reasons or B/ have actually not read their own holy book. Very few religious people IMO have actually read their own holy book's, which in Islam's case is a good thing.
However as the source of Islam is more violent than Christianity those who do follow what the holy book says, or are raised on genuine Islamic beliefs at least have bigoted views against Gays, Women, Jews and black people.
There are more Muslim grooming gangs int he west, 50 percent of Muslims think Homosexuality should be criminalised etc, all of this is a result of being raised on Islamic beliefs.
2/ The problem still does lie with Islam. I don't buy the "different interpretations" line only because Islam is presented as the definitive word of god. Thus there isn't really any room for interpretation. It has to be taken literally. There are earlier passages in the Quran where Muhammed says to live in peace, but those are completely superseded by later passages where he explicitly says to murder all non believers.
3/ Yes there is blood on the hands of other religions. I am an atheist remember. However from a more objective point of view Islam is more dangerous and morally reprehensible than other faiths for a number of reasons.
The Jewish religions holy book, the old testament is absolutely disgusting in every way. However at the same time the Jewish religion does not promise an afterlife. Thus it doesn't inspire the same kind of fantacism. Jews won't blow themselves up because they think they are going to go to heaven.
Added to that the Jewish holy book is presented as a second hand account, and thus is not the definitive word of god. It is open to interpretation, and its more presented as a story for the Jews. Also the Jewish religion is very loose. It has had reformations, it has changed and also really all you have to do to be Jewish is just be born a Jew, though you do get converts obviously.
Christianity and Islam are more strict. You have to follow everything their holy books say in order to be a Muslim or a Christian.
Now there is some dodgy shit in the Christian holy book. Jesus outright says that women are inferior to men. However ultimately the message Jesus gives to his followers is better.
He says to love your enemies, never kill anyone, grant unto others as you would yourself, never lie, forgive everyone for anything etc.
Thus someone who actually reads what Jesus says and follows what he teaches is going to be Ned Flanders. Added to that there is more room for interpretation in the New Testament too.
Islam meanwhile, its holy book says to kill all non believers, to kill all gay people, that women are inferior to men, and to lie to non believers through a process called Taqqiya that Islam is peaceful to dupe them.
And finally Islam is presented as the definitive word of god, and so therefore it has to be taken literally.
Thus whilst I am not saying ban all Muslims, I do think that more measures need to be taken when combating this religion when compared with others as its far more dangerous. It has nothing to do with race, just ideas.
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