UK General Election 2019

burrunjor wrote:

That's okay if we're being honest I find many of your political views quite ridiculous too, like you're views on women being narcissists which you base entirely on a few women you know at Uni.

Lmao I only barely remember this but I don’t recall the context.
Anyway, I feel that you're misinterpreting a description with my own affinity: I don’t dislike women for being selfish, I’m selfish – I find it relatable. Women are obviously supposed to be egocentric up to the point of having children. I don’t know what I said about narcissism in particular or ‘women at uni’. But if you do find any of my views ‘ridiculous’ I’m very happy to debate.

burrunjor wrote:

Besides austerity has already caused many deaths, and considering how much they have undermined the NHS already, its perfectly believable that they would try and niggle away at it piece by piece until it was gone. But hey Boris says its nonsense, and its not like Boris Johnson has ever lied about his position right?


Its not like the tories have come up with the most Draconian policies towards the poor and the disabled.

There’s a problem with ‘cause’ and your concept of complicity. Austerity wasn’t a cause of death, it may have led to a failure to prevent deaths but this is an omission – quite a different thing from an ethical point of view – and it obviously wasn’t an intention. It’s very far from any conventional concept of cause.
Sure, you may feel that preventing deaths is the highest moral imperative of the state - beyond any resource consideration or prioritisation - but this is only one perspective, not the perspective, and it seems incredibly idealistic being that you can only ‘prevent’ death for so long in any case.

Why would Boris 'lie' here? It's silly to conflate a previous lesser valuation ('it costs more than it's worth') with some kind of deep-rooted hatred - in the Tories. They tried cuts and they realised it wasn't a good decision, or at the least a very unpopular one - hence why anti-austerity and re-funding the NHS is part of Boris' manifesto. They tried it, it didn't work. It's in nobody's interest to go back on that.

6:28-8:18 for old Kenny Grubshaw!




That's not even his real name I just took the name from a H&P stand up performance and applied it to this nosy tosser I decided to expand upon the character by having him be a cafe dweller and a train jumper. I did have plans to introduce Len Grubshaw, Ken's long lost brother who now works as a pet store owner. Ken was going to be revealed as a serial killer and Police Constable Simmons (the man you see in the thumbnail) was going to join the forum and try and suss him out.
















I need a life.

I am voting for Labour. I used to enjoy voting Green when I got the chance, but the Tories are killing this country and selling fo the NHS. Yet nobody seems that botherED. It's incredibly scary

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Ronnie wrote:

burrunjor wrote:Anybody who votes Tory after this is a moron and complicit in the deaths' of millions of people, though to be fair that was always the case.

Or sociopaths.

Theatrical nonsense.

How often do you have sex with.... errrm.... anyone?

Problem is I'm not around women very often. I study from home, my work consists of lads and a couple of older women (in their 50s) and online dating is just not my thing. I'm waiting until I'm successful, more self aware and less depressed before I start looking for a relationship. My strong belief in the benefits of semen retention means that I'm not going to piss about and make rash decisions in order to get pussy which, in all honestly, I've been placing on a pedestal for much too long. No, I need to focus on my self development and go through pain in order get the things I want in life.

That was meant for Ken.
I was going to make a fake account called Keith Wankstein, but I couldn't be bothered.

Anyway, I feel that you're misinterpreting a description with my own affinity: I don’t dislike women for being selfish, I’m selfish – I find it relatable. Women are obviously supposed to be egocentric up to the point of having children. I don’t know what I said about narcissism in particular or ‘women at uni’. But if you do find any of my views ‘ridiculous’ I’m very happy to debate.

How about this quote?

TiberiusDidNothingWrong wrote:Not because it's an intelligent ideology, but more than the unintelligent woman probably hasn't put that much thought into politics at all - once they do, the ideology that's all about themselves works pretty well.

Honestly you're going to struggle if that's a dealbreaker.

My girlfriend calls herself a feminist and reposts the same stupid shit on social media etc.

Ask women around any university or higher profession and you'd get one answer.

Apparently the majority of women can only be interested in something if its about them, based on your girlfriend and some women at Uni.

There’s a problem with ‘cause’ and your concept of complicity. Austerity wasn’t a cause of death, it may have led to a failure to prevent deaths but this is an omission – quite a different thing from an ethical point of view – and it obviously wasn’t an intention. It’s very far from any conventional concept of cause.

No one is saying it was an evil plan to exterminate every single poor person, but it was still a callous and inept system. That's like saying Stalin was okay, because collectivisation was meant to modernise his food production, and not end up as the disaster it was.

Why would Boris 'lie' here? It's silly to conflate a previous lesser valuation ('it costs more than it's worth') with some kind of deep-rooted hatred - in the Tories. They tried cuts and they realised it wasn't a good decision, or at the least a very unpopular one - hence why anti-austerity and re-funding the NHS is part of Boris' manifesto. They tried it, it didn't work. It's in nobody's interest to go back on that.

I hope you're right given the disappointing election results. All I can say is today I've never been more proud to be Scottish. So glad I voted SNP. I honestly was not expecting Bo Jo the clown to win such a big majority. Left wing politics in England it seems is sadly dead.

We all need to focus on combating the right more now IMO. They are the bigger danger. God Sargon of Akkad's reaction is going to be insufferable. The smug cunt.

When the only viable alternative was a British-hating Commie, I'd say the result was the "sigh of relief" one, much like it was with Trump.

I gotta say I don't feel much relieved.

Five more bloody years of the Tories....

iank wrote:When the only viable alternative was a British-hating Commie, I'd say the result was the "sigh of relief" one, much like it was with Trump.

UGH that type of attitude depresses me. I thin its fair to say that no one on this forum has been more critical of the worst of the left than me. I even took some heat for it from the beginning.

This however is not the way forward. This represents a turn to Ayn Rand type politics. The very idea that people could vote for the government responsible for this.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=20&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjU1NjwqbLmAhWMgVwKHRzBCR0QxfQBMBN6BAgGEAs&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vice.com%2Fen_uk%2Farticle%2F5dmmpq%2Fhow-tory-government-austerity-affected-uk&usg=AOvVaw2Nbibr4Ksrcj0tctlxSeut

Is seriously depressing. Again all I can say is that I'm proud to be Scottish. At least we overcame the SJW crap of the SNP to vote on the more important issues and hopefully we'll escape BoJo the Clown.

Thought I’d just venture this sentiment: The election results are fucking devastating for me and my family. I live in a household where Autism dominates proceedings (in myself and my youngest brother who is incapable of speech or typical interaction- aspects which Boris plans on dismissing completely by 2024), and where the NHS is paramount for my sister (who is suffering from severe ehlers danlos syndrome) and my Grandfather (who is now practically on the brink of death due to terminal cancer, and has been something of a socialist for a good chunk of his life- his reaction to the results really broke me, especially considering his current mental and physical state). It’s really hit me and those close to me, and I’m devastated by it all.

I recognise the need to criticise the worst of the left, and they indeed deserve a thrashing (and Labour have indeed performed horrendously for countless genuine reasons which are largely down to the ineptitude of their campaign coupled with Boris’ “Get Brexit done” slogan which gave the Tories an edge), but I completely agree with burrunjor here. To answer power with power is the worst possible outcome, and makes us no better than the SJWs we criticise. Tribalism is never the way.

I’ll post more on this later when I have the chance- currently busy working.

Bernard Marx wrote:Thought I’d just venture this sentiment: The election results are fucking devastating for me and my family. I live in a household where Autism dominates proceedings (in myself and my youngest brother who is incapable of speech or typical interaction- aspects which Boris plans on dismissing completely by 2024), and where the NHS is paramount for my sister (who is suffering from severe ehlers danlos syndrome) and my Grandfather (who is now practically on the brink of death due to terminal cancer, and has been something of a socialist for a good chunk of his life- his reaction to the results really broke me, especially considering his current mental and physical state). It’s really hit me and those close to me, and I’m devastated by it all.

I recognise the need to criticise the worst of the left, and they indeed deserve a thrashing (and Labour have indeed performed horrendously for countless genuine reasons which are largely down to the ineptitude of their campaign coupled with Boris’ “Get Brexit done” slogan which gave the Tories an edge), but I completely agree with burrunjor here. To answer power with power is the worst possible outcome, and makes us no better than the SJWs we criticise. Tribalism is never the way.

I’ll post more on this later when I have the chance- currently busy working.

Great post I might even share it on social media. So sorry to hear about your family's problems.

No one has been more critical of the left, or its dodgy alliance with Islam than me. I think its fair to say that I am certainly no SJW LOL.

Still this was all far more important. I honestly can't believe that people are turning to the right. It shows how easy it is to lead people.

Why do people have to disavow all left wing politics? Why can't they just view things in an even handed way of "yes I hate identity politics, but I still care about socialised healthcare and welfare."

No people have to adopt a "now I'm on the right" mentality and sell out principles they used to have like that utter cunt Sargon of Akkad.

(I always remember that line from Blake's 7. "Is it that Blake has a genius for leadership or that YOU have a genius for being led." Sums up people like Carl Benjamin rather nicely.)

I voted Labour in the end simply on account of the NHS. Nothing to do with that Jack Williment-Bar photo though.

But I feel Corbyn lost this. Yes there is the Brexit factor but its was down to Corbyn's team to come up with a believable alternative. But he didn't. Indeed his strategy was wrong. Personally sitting on the fence made him look like a dithering idiot. Johnson may have hidden in fridges / washing machines but at least we had a good idea of where he stood on Brexit. He should have helped the tories pass the withdrawal agreement so the election could then have been about issues other than withdrawal from the EU.

As for the rest of the manifesto - it just promised too much and lacked credibility. And he was too prepared to ignore what his own MPs kept warning him about - his own toxicity on the campaigning door step.

For me Corbyn was just the better of two evils. Johnson just doesn't stack up for me as a credible political figure at the national level. Obviously I may have misjudged that somewhat.

So now I guess Diane Abbot gets to be leader ...

stengos wrote:I voted Labour in the end simply on account of the NHS. Nothing to do with that Jack Williment-Bar photo though.

But I feel Corbyn lost this. Yes there is the Brexit factor but its was down to Corbyn's team to come up with a believable alternative. But he didn't. Indeed his strategy was wrong. Personally sitting on the fence made him look like a dithering idiot. Johnson may have hidden in fridges / washing machines but at least we had a good idea of where he stood on Brexit. He should have helped the tories pass the withdrawal agreement so the election could then have been about issues other than withdrawal from the EU.

As for the rest of the manifesto - it just promised too much and lacked credibility. And he was too prepared to ignore what his own MPs kept warning him about - his own toxicity on the campaigning door step.

For me Corbyn was just the better of two evils. Johnson just doesn't stack up for me as a credible political figure at the national level. Obviously I may have misjudged that somewhat.

So now I guess Diane Abbot gets to be leader ...

Have to agree with all of this upon reflection, to be honest. It also didn’t help that Corbyn lacked any particular imperative or objective within his campaign, and thus wasn’t clearly defined. The Tories, on the other hand, were very clearly defined by their “Get Brexit done” slogan- what did Labour have? Hell, what did any of the other parties have? Not to mention that the Tories were the only party endorsing of the final Brexit vote, thus causing many former Labour voters who were also pro-Brexit to dissent to Boris’ side due to being completely alienated by Labour’s policies. That’s not to even consider the infighting between different factions of the Labour Party.

A very key reason for the resounding Tory majority was down to the left simply not being strong enough here, and down to their campaigns being noticeably lousy, which disappoints me especially as a traditional left-winger. And as alluded to previously by burrunjor and myself, has caused tribalism to ascend from all sides, and indeed caused Boris to triumph.

burrunjor wrote:

How about this quote?

Apparently the majority of women can only be interested in something if its about them, based on your girlfriend and some women at Uni.

Yeah sure, I’ll stand by what I said, which is basically what I recapped earlier on. Can you come up with a good counter argument though?

burrunjor wrote:

No one is saying it was an evil plan to exterminate every single poor person, but it was still a callous and inept system. That's like saying Stalin was okay, because collectivisation was meant to modernise his food production, and not end up as the disaster it was.

Inept, sure, most Tories today think the same – hence why we’re moving on.
Callous? They were just spending cuts, and where welfare is the major expenditure – that’s what’s getting cut. Welfare is generosity, cutting welfare isn’t callous it’s just less generous.
Regardless, the cuts didn’t take the NHS away and they’re only part of the reason for the NHS’s current state – alongside mismanagement and increased demand.
This didn’t ‘cause’ harm or death, much less in the millions. Moreso, can’t you see how silly it is to suggest the tories ‘caused’ anything of the same? Likewise, comparing it to collectivisation? Come on, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and ignore that one.

burrunjor wrote:

I hope you're right given the disappointing election results. All I can say is today I've never been more proud to be Scottish. So glad I voted SNP. I honestly was not expecting Bo Jo the clown to win such a big majority. Left wing politics in England it seems is sadly dead.

We all need to focus on combating the right more now IMO. They are the bigger danger. God Sargon of Akkad's reaction is going to be insufferable. The smug cunt.

I cannot understand the SNP vote. The manifesto:
1. Gain independence from the UK.
2. Become dependent on the EU.






Why you would want independence when Scotland is essentially an economic parasite, and politically – under devolution – has plenty of power in self-governance that only seems to be increasing with time: is a mystery.
I don’t think you even support the EU so the second part is probably not worth arguing, but it will become rather less relevant within the next two months when it will be a question of re-joining not remaining.[/quote]

I know, the Scotland thing really is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. They want to 'escape' the UK so they can become dependant on a bunch of wannabe totalitarians.

Jesus Christ. Don't you think it's time you lads got that goddamn historical chip off your shoulders and moved on?

Well I have to say this has been an enjoyable day.

So much blue.

Looking forward to the next five, ten, fifteen years of the same. A golden age.

Bernard Marx wrote:Thought I’d just venture this sentiment: The election results are fucking devastating for me and my family. I live in a household where Autism dominates proceedings (in myself and my youngest brother who is incapable of speech or typical interaction- aspects which Boris plans on dismissing completely by 2024), and where the NHS is paramount for my sister (who is suffering from severe ehlers danlos syndrome) and my Grandfather (who is now practically on the brink of death due to terminal cancer, and has been something of a socialist for a good chunk of his life- his reaction to the results really broke me, especially considering his current mental and physical state). It’s really hit me and those close to me, and I’m devastated by it all.

Dude, Boris is supporing the NHS. He's increasing spending. Not as much as Corbyn proposed, sure, but he would only have paid for it with debt anyway.

Anything about Boris 'selling off' the NHS or whatever was obvious propaganda and based on absolutely nothing.

burrunjor wrote:

Why do people have to disavow all left wing politics? Why can't they just view things in an even handed way of "yes I hate identity politics, but I still care about socialised healthcare and welfare."

They do, though. Most people support the NHS.

The Tories under Boris, what we may as well call New Conservatives, represent these people. Pro NHS and anti-austerity. The stupid thing to do would be to go, 'Well I guess I agree more with the Tory policies this time round, but I'm red! I can't vote blue!'.

I’m sure The Tories will follow through on their propaganda policies.
Yes of course they will. You’ve actually bought into all that shit?

iank wrote:When the only viable alternative was a British-hating Commie, I'd say the result was the "sigh of relief" one, much like it was with Trump.

Is this the American version of what Communism is supposed to be? Y’know, like having a social healthcare system is right up there with Stalin?

iank wrote:I know, the Scotland thing really is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. They want to 'escape' the UK so they can become dependant on a bunch of wannabe totalitarians.

Jesus Christ. Don't you think it's time you lads got that goddamn historical chip off your shoulders and moved on?

Horse Shoe theory in full effect.

You were for Brexit. You were for the English being able to create their own laws and rules, and hated it when idiots like Diane Abbot just dismissed Brexiteers as racists who hate brown people.

Now that Scotland wants to make its own laws and decide its own future, its just all Scottish are racists who hate the English? PS the only one that has said anything racist here is Tiberius who called Scotland a parasite.

TiberiusDidNothingWrong wrote:Yeah sure, I’ll stand by what I said, which is basically what I recapped earlier on. Can you come up with a good counter argument though?

You serious? Women are only interested in politics that's entirely about them? Its not even an argument. Its a sexist, ignorant statement with NOTHING to back it up, other than "I know a few women at Uni so that makes me an expert on ALL women."

But for the record studies show that the overwhelming majority of women reject identity politics and modern third wave feminism whilst still supporting equality between the sexes, and they reject these idealogies specifically because they are anti men.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjc8oa7_rTmAhWPfMAKHWpoDZwQFjAAegQIAxAG&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-politics-47006912&usg=AOvVaw2wwxxYnWv4xb-Jc_qoMSG5

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjc8oa7_rTmAhWPfMAKHWpoDZwQFjACegQIARAG&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwomenintheworld.com%2F2019%2F02%2F08%2Fmajority-of-young-women-reject-feminist-label-but-not-for-the-reasons-youd-think%2F&usg=AOvVaw0-gQWvf3GoYyw2mCKt_TIc

Added to that many famous women in politics could hardly be described as feminists like Margaret Thatcher,or Hillary Clinton (sure she played up being a feminist but that was only to get support. Her track record shows she's NOT a feminist, which was one of the biggest criticism's of her and probably a reason she got curb stomped by a reality tv star.)

TiberiusDidNothingWrong wrote:Inept, sure, most Tories today think the same – hence why we’re moving on.
Callous? They were just spending cuts, and where welfare is the major expenditure – that’s what’s getting cut. Welfare is generosity, cutting welfare isn’t callous it’s just less generous.
Regardless, the cuts didn’t take the NHS away and they’re only part of the reason for the NHS’s current state – alongside mismanagement and increased demand.
This didn’t ‘cause’ harm or death, much less in the millions. Moreso, can’t you see how silly it is to suggest the tories ‘caused’ anything of the same? Likewise, comparing it to collectivisation? Come on, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and ignore that one.

As Ronnie said if you really believe that propaganda then more fool you. I never said that it has killed millions, just that it will if its allowed to go on indefinitely.

And Welfare is not generosity. Its a vital safety net for people.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiVupn__7TmAhXMiFwKHUdYDW4QFjAAegQIBxAH&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmetro.co.uk%2F2019%2F04%2F22%2Fstarving-man-deemed-fit-work-just-6st-dies-9283149%2F&usg=AOvVaw145fKqvaG5tzwljawp6m9z

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiVupn__7TmAhXMiFwKHUdYDW4QFjACegQIAxAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mirror.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-news%2Fdisabled-man-starved-death-four-6334256&usg=AOvVaw1gGyksyk6mtXIZxatEyLlt

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiBk_rJgLXmAhUBkFwKHaCsBQoQFjABegQIBxAH&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.disabilityrightsuk.org%2Fnews%2F2016%2Faugust%2Fhalf-people-poverty-are-disabled-or-live-disabled-person&usg=AOvVaw2bjQPzOZFKg5GqIznBev_P

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiBk_rJgLXmAhUBkFwKHaCsBQoQFjAAegQIBhAG&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.disabilityrightsuk.org%2Fnews%2F2018%2Fseptember%2Fdisabled-peoples-poverty-worse-govt-estimates&usg=AOvVaw0eBTixujU9yQwvdZJG_NZT

Also I was only comparing it to collectivisation in the sense that you can justify anything by saying "well that's not what they intended."

TiberiusDidNothingWrong wrote:Why you would want independence when Scotland is essentially an economic parasite, and politically – under devolution – has plenty of power in self-governance that only seems to be increasing with time: is a mystery.
I don’t think you even support the EU so the second part is probably not worth arguing, but it will become rather less relevant within the next two months when it will be a question of re-joining not remaining.

Scotland is its own country, not a fucking parasite.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwivr8bxgbXmAhWGecAKHdgiBm0QtwIIKTAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbellacaledonia.org.uk%2F2013%2F03%2F19%2Ftop-10-unionist-myths-debunked-banned-then-re-debunked%2F&usg=AOvVaw38SQNnEC4h2WqJ1VMK8Yma

There are plenty of reasons to want Scottish independence that have nothing to do with the EU. Tommy Sheridan, one of the leading voices for Scottish Independence was also pro Brexit. Besides I never said I hated the EU anyway.

burrunjor wrote:Added to that many famous women in politics could hardly be described as feminists like Margaret Thatcher,or Hillary Clinton (sure she played up being a feminist but that was only to get support. Her track record shows she's NOT a feminist, which was one of the biggest criticism's of her and probably a reason she got curb stomped by a reality tv star.)

I would hardly say Hillary's lies, lust for power and mendacious desire to create her own personality cult, in any way disqualifies her as being a feminist.

On the contrary I'd say those qualities are pretty much archetypal in a leading feminist today.

The fact that Antifa, composed of violent feminist women and self-hating men, is her personal baby (or at least something she's been happy to complicitly nurture and fund through her party, and the media), also makes her very much the worst kind of feminist with the worst kind of end-goals for society, using and propagating the anxieties of women and the guilt of men for political goals.

I think Boris will be PM for 10 years. Labour have no answer. I hope things will get better next decade. But the key point is: even if they don’t, and there are many very hard years ahead, Boris will still win - because he has linked himself to Brexit, which is the key to our future now. It has given millions a purpose - to be free of being patronized, and also greater political freedom. The British can cope with adversity if they endure it on their own terms. The “stiff upper lip”, the Dunkirk spirit and the “surviving the blitz” spirit will return. I can imagine Boris evoking World War 2 imagery in the years to come, and he will be compared to Churchill more than Thatcher in our History books.
This genuinely feels like the beginning of a new era. 1945-1979 was the era of post war Keynesian ideas. 1979-2019 was the age of economic neo liberalism. 2019 onwards - something new. British pride? But on the terms of the silent, respectable majority.
I’m hoping this will also be the beginning of the end of political correctness. New Who now looks like an utter dinosaur, a relic of all the patronizing attitudes that the UK just rejected.
So many tough times ahead - but there’s hope now, and hope’s a powerful thing.

I seriously doubt that economic neoliberalism has come to any kind of end. Labour were the only party offering any kind of economic change.
The Tories gave us economic liberalism through Thatcher, and they are not about to change that in any way whatsoever.
When Blair continued in the same economic vein, Thatcher herself declared New Labour's commitment to her economic polices, to be her 'greatest legacy'. The neoliberal economic model has been considered the norm for many years now, and it's certainly not going to change under the Tories.
Austerity will not end, but Boris is no fool. He will give a little bit. Just enough to convince you that it's change of direction, but it won't be. It will just be a slight tap on the brakes.
Meanwhile, prepare to bend further to America after Brexit. Trump is the Cyberleader and he's saying 'You will be like us'.

burrunjor wrote:

Horse Shoe theory in full effect.

You were for Brexit. You were for the English being able to create their own laws and rules, and hated it when idiots like Diane Abbot just dismissed Brexiteers as racists who hate brown people.

Now that Scotland wants to make its own laws and decide its own future, its just all Scottish are racists who hate the English? PS the only one that has said anything racist here is Tiberius who called Scotland a parasite.

Pick one. The SNP wants independence and then doesn’t.

Regardless, in the UK, Scotland already has devolved powers to legislate on Scottish matters.

burrunjor wrote:

You serious? Women are only interested in politics that's entirely about them? Its not even an argument. Its a sexist, ignorant statement with NOTHING to back it up, other than "I know a few women at Uni so that makes me an expert on ALL women."

But for the record studies show that the overwhelming majority of women reject identity politics and modern third wave feminism whilst still supporting equality between the sexes, and they reject these idealogies specifically because they are anti men.

Most, not all. Why are people incapable of comprehending the difference?

And no, the blank statement was not an argument, the argument was given elsewhere.

The logic is: women are selfish, up to the point of having children – for obvious reasons. A political ideology that is focused entirely on them is obviously and accordingly appealing.

The majority reject identity politics just as the majority of people reject entertaining a thoughtful political opinion. Those that do put thought into politics by large end up as ‘feminists’ of the current meaning. Because it’s about them.

Again, I’m not declaring this in any sense derogatory aside from the probable hypocrisy. But hey, most people are hypocrites, riddled with contradictions in their moral logic, I enjoy them all the same.

Successful women in politics are usually psychological anomalies, as you’d probably realise, though … that isn’t to say they aren’t self-centred.

burrunjor wrote:

As Ronnie said if you really believe that propaganda then more fool you. I never said that it has killed millions, just that it will if its allowed to go on indefinitely.

Ronnie didn’t make an argument though, hence why ours ended. Saying ‘oh that’s propaganda’ without ever demonstrating otherwise is not an argument.

You did say that voters of the Tories are responsible for millions of deaths, with your ‘logic’ presumably being that the Tories supported austerity, which in turn decreased the effectiveness of the NHS. It's absurd.

burrunjor wrote:

Welfare is not generosity. Its a vital safety net for people

Welfare is a safety net. It’s also generosity. The point is, it’s an action that wouldn’t ordinarily have to be performed – to the benefit of an other. Debating this is pointless semantics, but the point is – decreasing welfare is the revocation of an action, not an action. It’s an entirely different category in the realm of moral judgement.

burrunjor wrote:

Also I was only comparing it to collectivisation in the sense that you can justify anything by saying "well that's not what they intended."

The difference between:
1. Person A decides to pay person B some quantity of money to support them, each year.
Some time later, person A runs out of money and decides to cancel that payment. B struggles without it.
And 2.
Person A decides to take money from person B because they need it.

There’s a big difference, regardless of whether the intention was oblique or lacking.

burrunjor wrote:

Scotland is its own country, not a fucking parasite.

Reading comprehension. Economic parasite. Scotland costs the UK where it can’t provide for itself.

burrunjor wrote:

There are plenty of reasons to want Scottish independence that have nothing to do with the EU. Tommy Sheridan, one of the leading voices for Scottish Independence was also pro Brexit. Besides I never said I hated the EU anyway.

Like what? The point is, the arguments against leaving the EU are essentially the same as those towards remaining in the UK. Arguments for Scottish independence are rather weaker honestly.

I’ve had time to ponder on this further. Upon reflection, I think I’m now in two minds about this, to be honest.

On the one hand, I don’t trust Boris to fully uphold his principles concerning the NHS, and I don’t see this as the end of economic neoliberalism. Brexit will be the government’s main focus (as explored many times in previous posts and as reinforced through Boris’ campaign of “getting Brexit done”) and I doubt they’ll commit too considerably to reforming the country as a result.

However, Tiberius may have a point concerning Boris and the NHS as well. Given that a large chunk of the Tories’ gained seats came from former Labour constituencies, if he breaks his pledges and fucks it up, he’ll lose fuck loads of support and effectively be committing political suicide. As Ronnie says, he is no fool, and will no doubt contribute to it in some way with luck. Though economic neoliberalism may still persist, all we can do now is hope for the best from this outcome, and perhaps things may change for the better for a time. That isn’t to say I trust the current government, but they’ve got in with a landslide. There’s fuck all we can do about it beyond hoping for some sort of improvement within the upcoming decade, and even then, if no improvements take place, those same constituencies will revert back to Labour. Although I suppose they will themselves undoubtedly undergo some form of reformation over the coming years, and lack any agency whatsoever in their current state, so who knows?

It’s largely wishful thinking, but I don’t see what else can be done at this stage.

The Tories have taken away most of the pie. They'll give one piece back, and all the dumb Tory voting fucks will be terribly grateful, as if their getting the whole pie back, whilst the top earners laugh all the way to bank with their extra bits of pie that the Tories took from you to give to them in the name of 'austerity'.