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1Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Sat 18 May 2019, 4:14 pm

Indrid Mercury

Indrid Mercury
Anyone seen or heard any of their direct to video films and audio dramas and if so, what are your thoughts on them?

2Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Sat 18 May 2019, 4:21 pm

Cunnus Maximus

Cunnus Maximus
Production quality is weak, but the stories are pretty decent. Shakedown is their best effort by far.

3Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Sat 18 May 2019, 6:17 pm

Rob Filth

Rob Filth
Boofer wrote:Production quality is weak, but the stories are pretty decent. Shakedown is their best effort by far.


I always thought the Auton Trilogy the best myself.

The DVD upgrade of Cyberon isn't bad either....

http://www.thefuckingobvious.com

4Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Sat 18 May 2019, 6:41 pm

BillPatJonTom

BillPatJonTom
Not seen all of them but some of these direct-to-video spin-offs have been re-released on dvd recently. To admit their flaws, they're certainly hampered by budgetary and copyright constraints. There's no Doctor featured as such although there are monsters and companions from the classic series and they occasionally recreate some true Who ingredients effectively enough.

The most recent I've seen are the Mindgame Trilogy with Sophie Aldred as a human (who resembles a future Ace but no one's saying for sure!) alongside a Sontaran and Draconian. Other spin-offs I've seen include early episodes of The Stranger series, with Colin Baker and Nicola Bryant (playing the strangely familiar "Stranger" and a certain Miss Brown) and these do have their moments. Shakedown, with plenty of familiar faces from Who starring alongside slightly redesigned Sontarans, and also the Auton trilogy are also occasionally very successful but I reckon Downtime, made back in the mid 90s, may well be the best.

If production values are a bit shaky, at least Downtime succeeds in showing UNIT battling the Yeti themselves and best of all the Brigadier returns together with Sarah as well as Victoria and Professor Travers. There's even roles in this for John Leeson and Geoffrey Beevers so it's all quite nostalgic stuff really. Anyway, whatever its faults, I think it uses the Great Intelligence rather better than the bigger budgeted New Who efforts and indeed it feels more like Doctor Who than the BBC's own shitty spin-off series!

5Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Sat 18 May 2019, 7:02 pm

Tanmann

Tanmann
Ironically a lot of their Professor and Ace discs struck me as far more man-bashing than the current era.

So yeah, a lot of their audio material just left a very nasty aftertaste for me.

6Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Sat 18 May 2019, 7:43 pm

Indrid Mercury

Indrid Mercury
@Tanmann wrote:Ironically a lot of their Professor and Ace discs struck me as far more man-bashing than the current era.

So yeah, a lot of their audio material just left a very nasty aftertaste for me.

I've never actually got around to any of the Professor and Ace stuff, care to point them out?

7Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Sat 18 May 2019, 8:56 pm

Tanmann

Tanmann
Well basically the Ace in the BBV audios is just a lot more hostile and contemptful to males. More than she ever was onscreen. Particularly in the audio story The Left Hand of Darkness where she's cared for by a man after an accident that leaves her temporarily blind, and yet she spends near the whole story just being horrible to him.

It might be that the writers didn't know how to write Ace otherwise, and that the intent was to make this a character flaw rather than an attitude we should be okay with or share in. Certainly there is a later story Only Human (which is quite a heavy, controversial one) which kind of explains why by going into an abusive background this version of Ace had.

The problem is the manbashing kind of creeps into their two Cyberon audios too. There's a scene in Cyberhunt where one of the female characters shoots a former ex whilst he's being Cybernized and it plays as a kind of great woman's revenge moment (even though the story's still trying to be critical of military gunplay). And then Cybergeddon involves a father trying to reconcile with his daughter and yet she is hateful and unforgiving of him right to the end.

I dunno. I get the sense they were trying to follow the Thelma and Louise zeitgeist.

8Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Sat 18 May 2019, 10:34 pm

iank

iank
I like Downtime. Shakedown was okay from what I remember but I haven't seen it for years.

9Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Sun 19 May 2019, 12:50 am

Cunnus Maximus

Cunnus Maximus
@Rob Filth wrote:
Boofer wrote:Production quality is weak, but the stories are pretty decent. Shakedown is their best effort by far.


I always thought the Auton Trilogy the best myself.

The DVD upgrade of Cyberon isn't bad either....

Been a good 10 years since I've watched them, so I'm open to changing my mind.

10Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Sun 19 May 2019, 1:13 pm

Indrid Mercury

Indrid Mercury
Boofer wrote:
@Rob Filth wrote:
Boofer wrote:Production quality is weak, but the stories are pretty decent. Shakedown is their best effort by far.


I always thought the Auton Trilogy the best myself.

The DVD upgrade of Cyberon isn't bad either....

Been a good 10 years since I've watched them, so I'm open to changing my mind.

Personally I recommend Downtime, the P.R.O.B.E series, The Airzone Solution, the first two Auton videos and Cyberon.

11Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Sun 19 May 2019, 6:18 pm

Rob Filth

Rob Filth
The sequel to Downtime, Daemos Rising is worth a watch too - it may not be as blessed with as many guest stars as Downtime, but has a lot better fucking camera direction! The direction is Downtime is absolutely terrible, it's gobsmacking to think Christopher Barry was responsible for this!

Generally I'd say:

The Best:
Auton Trilogy
Shakedown
Downtime(purely for the enjoyable fanwank of it all)
Cyberon(DVD CGI upgrade)

Watchable:
Stranger 1, and 3
PROBE series
Airzone Solution
Daemos Rising
Zygon Porn - or whatever its called(it's okay for a laugh)

Poor:
Mindgame/Mindgame Trilogy(although Sophie Aldreds over-emoting is fucking funny)
UNIT-Wartime(shonky student art camera direction and 80's porn music let this one down)
Lust In Space
Do You Have a License to Save this Planet
Some of the later Stranger episodes.

Unwatchable:
Souls Ark (fuck me, this one really IS terrible)

http://www.thefuckingobvious.com

12Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Sun 19 May 2019, 6:53 pm

Rob Filth

Rob Filth
@BillPatJonTom wrote: I think it uses the Great Intelligence rather better than the bigger budgeted New Who efforts and indeed it feels more like Doctor Who than the BBC's own shitty spin-off series!

That's true with the Auton Trilogy too, an essence of the Autons creepiness is caught which NuWho completely fails on with its Moonwalking Graham Norton voiced "living plastic creatures"

http://www.thefuckingobvious.com

13Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Sun 19 May 2019, 8:03 pm

BillPatJonTom

BillPatJonTom
@Rob Filth wrote:
That's true with the Auton Trilogy too, an essence of the Autons creepiness is caught which NuWho completely fails on with its Moonwalking Graham Norton voiced "living plastic creatures"

Agreed, the Auton trilogy did at least try to make them creepy in the old style whereas NuWho just didn't get the Autons.

Not seen Dæmos Rising or Cyberon but might check 'em out now.

14Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Thu 26 Sep 2019, 2:57 am

iank

iank
I'm thinking of picking up Daemos Rising. Would have got it back in the day had the Brig been in it as planned but Nick Courtney had to drop out for health reasons so I never bothered, despite liking Beverly Cressman's Kate.

15Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Thu 26 Sep 2019, 10:18 am

Ronnie

Ronnie
@iank wrote:I'm thinking of picking up Daemos Rising. Would have got it back in the day had the Brig been in it as planned but Nick Courtney had to drop out for health reasons so I never bothered, despite liking Beverly Cressman's Kate.

I really wouldn't bother if I were you.
But then again, seeing as we don't often agree on DW stuff, chances are you'll love it. Wink

I've seen almost all of the spin-offs, and reviewed them all about 12 years go. In my honest opinion the vast majority of them are truly dire.
The only ones I'd bother with are: Ghosts of Winterborne, Cyberon, and the first of the Auton Trilogy. (the other two parts are as dull as fuck)
The Airzone Solution is worth a go just to see Colin snogging Nicola. LOL

16Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Sat 19 Oct 2019, 12:06 pm

Ronnie

Ronnie

17Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Tue 05 Nov 2019, 8:08 pm

BillPatJonTom

BillPatJonTom


Any one seen the new Reeltime Sil story?

I was initially curious, in the hope of seeing something new that might be refreshingly TruWho-esque or at least enjoyable.
Always quite liked Sil as portrayed by Nabil Shaban, who returns in this production alongside some veteran Who figures.
However, glancing at one or two online reviews so far I found mention of it carrying anti-Brexit, anti-Trump themes which has put me off somewhat.
It's not that I necessarily mind some political elements being part of the plot. A political subtext can indeed work well when handled with a degree of skill. I always greatly admired what Malcolm Hulke and Robert Holmes brought to Who but their contributions I think benefited from some subtlety and were tempered by balance and creativity.
What I am totally bored of is crudely unimaginative and one-sided political bias that informs so much current stuff and of course New Who I suspect is very much guilty in this tedious wokeness.
So if any one does happen to see this new Sil tale, I'd be interested to hear whether or not my fears are justified.

18Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Tue 05 Nov 2019, 8:33 pm

Pepsi Maxil

Pepsi Maxil
Chief Caretaker
I prefer BBW.




































You all know what I mean.

19Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Tue 05 Nov 2019, 8:38 pm

BillPatJonTom

BillPatJonTom
Nowt wrong with BBW Wink

20Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Tue 05 Nov 2019, 8:38 pm

Tanmann

Tanmann
@Pepsi Maxil wrote:You all know what I mean.

Actually I don't.

Once again I stand at the precipice of the generation gap.

21Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Tue 05 Nov 2019, 8:42 pm

Pepsi Maxil

Pepsi Maxil
Chief Caretaker
@Tanmann wrote:
@Pepsi Maxil wrote:You all know what I mean.

Actually I don't.

Once again I stand at the precipice of the generation gap.

Big Beautiful Women.

Find one. She'll keep you warm during the winter.

22Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Tue 05 Nov 2019, 8:43 pm

BillPatJonTom

BillPatJonTom
Big Beautiful Women, I assume as in appreciation of Rubenesque aesthetics Big Grin

23Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Tue 05 Nov 2019, 8:45 pm

Tanmann

Tanmann
Ah I see.

Well, from what I know BBV has its fair share of BBW.

24Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Tue 05 Nov 2019, 8:46 pm

Pepsi Maxil

Pepsi Maxil
Chief Caretaker
@BillPatJonTom wrote:Big Beautiful Women, I assume as in appreciation of Rubenesque aesthetics Big Grin

That guy liked phat asses.

25Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? Empty Re: Thoughts on BBV and Reeltime? on Tue 05 Nov 2019, 8:48 pm

Ronnie

Ronnie
As far as BBV audios go, some of them for very good. Even the McCoy/Aldred ones. But the videos are another matter....

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