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26 Re: Comic Books on Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:48 pm

So in a big news story that surprisingly does'nt seem to be April Fools-connected (and indeed, so far they've wisely avoided positing information on Day Two coverage today to avoid anyone mistaking it for a joke), Marvel held a retailer summit over the previous week and openly admitted their diversity push wasn't finding an audience

http://www.comicsbeat.com/marvel-retailers-and-readers-turning-their-nose-up-at-their-more-diverse-titles/

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27 Re: Comic Books on Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:25 pm

As I understand it, the only people pushing for it were the kind of people who don't buy comics.
As per usual.

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28 Re: Comic Books on Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:27 am

Yeah, the crowd that complain 'till they're red in the face about representation lacking in every corner, then when there is, they just quiet down and vent about that other corner that does'nt have a patch of their red-hot ire on it.

It's like throwing a fit at a colouring book when there's only the tiniest patch of the page that is'nt filled in

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29 Re: Comic Books on Sun Apr 02, 2017 3:15 pm

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@iank wrote:As I understand it, the only people pushing for it were the kind of people who don't buy comics.
As per usual.

Indeed. https://www.themarysue.com/diverse-comic-sales-not-readers-fault/


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30 Re: Comic Books on Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:35 pm

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To extend an olive branch, Marvel didn't handle it in the best way. When you do shit like take a book called Iron Man and make the main character a (black) teenage girl you have to expect people to get annoyed.

I think the biggest problem was that it was all so inorganic, and a cynical money making agenda. If they just created a bunch of new characters to carry brand new titles it could have been different but a lot of it seemed to be taking established titles and forcing it in. Thor became a woman, Ms. Marvel became muslim etc, which only pisses off the people who were enjoying what they had before and does little to bring in the people who weren't interested in those books to begin with.



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31 Re: Comic Books on Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:10 am

@Adam Ant Driver wrote:To extend an olive branch, Marvel didn't handle it in the best way. When you do shit like take a book called Iron Man and make the main character a (black) teenage girl you have to expect people to get annoyed.

I think the biggest problem was that it was all so inorganic, and a cynical money making agenda. If they just created a bunch of new characters to carry brand new titles but a lot of it seemed to be taking established titles and forcing it in. Thor became a woman, Ms. Marvel became muslim etc, which only pisses off the people who were enjoying what they had before and does little to bring in the people who weren't interested in those books to begin with.

Agreed, these people who demand for things like a female Bond, female Batman or female Doctor don't understand that some characters gender and race and sexuality are too important to change.

That's not always the case. The Kingpin for instance could be played by a black man (and was to great effect) as his race is utterly unimportant. His look isn't dependent on race. All you need is a big heavy set, menacing guy and its still recognisably the Kingpin.

However at the same time characters like say Mary Jane I feel it would be a bit more difficult to change her race, as Mary Jane has a definite look which is a white girl with red hair. Its a two way street of course as Blade's look for instance is very dependent on his race too, thus he needs to always be played by a black guy.

Gender meanwhile I think is something that matters more as there are differences between men and women (doesn't mean they are not equal, just different) and thus a characters gender will often become a part of who they are really by default.

Similarly a characters sexuality will often be a defining aspect of their character more than race too, though not as much as gender. For instance I had no problem with Dorothy being a lesbian in Once Upon A Time as her sexuality had never been an aspect of her character in any previous versions (for obvious reasons). Hell for all we know she could have been gay in Return to Oz. However a character like James Bond obviously couldn't be gay and still seem like Bond, and at the same time an openly gay character couldn't just be made straight no problem.

With things like a female Doctor, a female Bond, the question is never "can a woman play a hero". Obviously they can, no one but a true bigot would say they can't. Its can they play that specific character and would it still seem like the same character? Again its a two way street, as I don't think a man could play Xena either.

However the likes of the sjw's who run Marvel never take that into account. They just shout down anyone who doesn't like their changes to other people's characters as sexists, racists and homophobes, and blame their own flagging sales on the fact geeks apparently can't stand anything with a non white male hero because they aren't enlightened like them.

Of course in saying this they not only completely ignore the likes of Red Dwarf, Blade, The Rocky Horror Picture Show, Xena, Buffy, Once Upon A Time, Charmed, Alien, etc all of which were huge success stories, but they also hilariously shoot themselves in the foot by insulting their audiences as racists, sexists and homophobes.

Marvel deserve to go out of business TBH. I hate saying that as its a shame for Stan Lee (not that he needs the cash mind you) and I do adore their characters, but fuck are they smug virtue signalling cunts these days.

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32 Re: Comic Books on Fri Apr 14, 2017 10:55 am

DC milk Watchmen for what it's still worth with an animated adaptation

http://www.cbr.com/watchmen-r-rated-animated-movie/

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33 Re: Comic Books on Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:41 pm

RIP Leo Baxendale, creator of Minnie The Minx and Bash St. Kids

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04/27/leo-baxendale-creator-bash-street-kids-dies-86/

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34 Re: Comic Books on Sun May 07, 2017 3:05 pm

Welcome to Atop the 4th Wall...where bad comics burn
These fans are gonna teach Marvel a lesson theyll all learn
Spencer you're not the smartest...

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/05/07/burning-copies-of-secret-empire-on-free-comic-book-day/

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35 Re: Comic Books on Sun May 07, 2017 4:37 pm

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People who have been reading it have told me the Captain Hydra stuff is actually pretty good.


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36 Re: Comic Books on Fri May 12, 2017 5:53 pm

"Darksied Is"

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/05/exclusive-tom-king-mitch-gerads-miracle-man.html

So we're basically ignoring the last Darksied arc in the New 52 and reuniting Barda and Scott immediately

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37 Re: Comic Books on Tue May 16, 2017 11:09 pm

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Justice League Mighty Morphin Power Rangers Issues Cancelled
http://comicbook.com/dc/2017/05/16/justice-league-power-rangers-issues-cancelled/


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38 Re: Comic Books on Fri May 26, 2017 10:27 pm

Marvel have fired the editor of the X-Men comic books

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/05/26/daniel-ketchums-departure-from-x-men-sends-out-shockwaves/

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