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Who do you prefer? Xena or Wonder Woman?

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1Who do you prefer? Xena or Wonder Woman? Empty Who do you prefer? Xena or Wonder Woman? on Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:46 am





Both pretty similar as you can see.

I'm going to say Xena.

Xena is far sexier IMO. The fact that she's a bit more rough around the edges makes her far sexier.

Also I prefer her backstory and character, and she has WAY better villains. Callisto and Ares and Alti are among the best villains in any tv show. Wonder Woman kind of falls flat however with her badguys.

Also I think Xena was quite a good role for women because she got knocked about more. That's the real reason we don't see more female heroes. Its because people don't like seeing a woman get beaten up, tortured, etc.

Compare Buffy and Angel. Did Buffy ever get tortured? Angel meanwhile there were whole episodes were the plot was basically he gets strung from the ceiling and tortured for hours.

Also compare the X-Men. Wolverine the main male character of the franchise gets tortured and knocked about all the time. When there is a poster of Jennifer Lawrence being choked however feminists get it pulled down.

With this in mind, its no surprise that most people just settle for a guy to lead an action adventure series, as it's more exciting because you can have him really get his ass kicked, where as a female hero has to be more of a boring all perfect hero.

Xena however bucked that trend. Xena got tortured, crucified, had her back and legs smashed, got killed about six times, her head cut off, strung from the ceiling and beat with clubs.

I will say though that I prefer the Wonder Woman theme. Also Xena season 5 is without doubt one of the worst ever television seasons. Its a classic example pre New Who of not letting unprofessional fanboys or girls in this case from getting hold of something. TBF though at least the people behind it admitted they fucked up royally unlike New Who. To think Steven Moffat actually thinks he did a good job with Missy and convinced people who weren't sure about a female Doctor that it would work  LOL  

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2Who do you prefer? Xena or Wonder Woman? Empty Re: Who do you prefer? Xena or Wonder Woman? on Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:44 am

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Xena and it's not even close. The fact that she isn't brought up as much anymore in regards to conversations about strong female role models is absolutely disgraceful. I feel as if the show and the character are both underappreciated these days.

I did quite like the old Wonder Woman TV show but I actually find the character to be a bit dull in general.  I saw the Gadot version in Batman v Superman and I wasn't really that impressed.

In conclusion, Xena FTW.


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3Who do you prefer? Xena or Wonder Woman? Empty Re: Who do you prefer? Xena or Wonder Woman? on Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:16 am

Xena and it's not even close. The fact that she isn't brought up as much anymore in regards to conversations about strong female role models is absolutely disgraceful. I feel as if the show and the character are both underappreciated these days.

Yes we all know why that is. Feminists want it to be forgotten, because it doesn't suit their victim narrative. Similarly phoney posers like J.J. Abrams and Chris Chibnall want it (and other popular female led series) to be forgotten because otherwise they wouldn't be able to boast about how special they are for having female heroes.

The likes of Claudia Boleyn and Whovian Feminism meanwhile ironically have 0 interest in it, because its an original female hero. As I've said in the past all they care about is taking a role away from men.

Another great thing about Xena was that she had a female archenemy in the form of Callisto (one of the greatest villains of all time.) That's a proper Doctor/Master, Batman/Joker style feud between two female characters, but again the likes of Claudia, Whovian Feminism etc, don't care about it, because it doesn't actually take two roles away from men like Jodie/Pissy Missy do.

I think a part of why its forgotten is because its camp and with things like Game of Thrones, Walking Dead, gritty, violent and hard seems to be the favoured style. Though having said that, Buffy is still popular and it was just as camp. That might be because Joss is more of a presence than Rob Tapert (though I've vastly preferred Taperts recent output like Spartacus and Ash vs Evil Dead, to Joss', Tapert tends to keep a dignified silence unlike Joss.)

Lucy Lawless is IMO as good a genre lead as Shatner and Tom Baker. Like them she is an outrageous ham and elevates poor episodes, but when its episodes of a high quality, like the Callisto eps, she takes them seriously and is great.

A lot of her roles tend to be a bit grittier and harder. She normally plays villains, and tends to suffer quite gruesome deaths. Like look at her role in Ash vs Evil Dead. Both her deaths in that were nasty, and the second was hilariously undignified. Want a strong female lead to look up to, she's the one, but again unlike Jodie she hasn't taken any roles away from men, so the likes of Claudia and Whovian Feminism probably don't even know who Lucy Lawless is (neither follow her on twitter BTW, which is embarrassing when your whole schtick is how much you love female heroes.)


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4Who do you prefer? Xena or Wonder Woman? Empty Re: Who do you prefer? Xena or Wonder Woman? on Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:14 pm

Never saw Xena.
The Wonder Woman film was pretty good, but usually Wonder Woman is either poorly written or engaged in a dull reprise of Greek mythology. What I appreciated about the film was how impartial it was - I was fully expecting it to be rife with misandry, but it wasn't.

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5Who do you prefer? Xena or Wonder Woman? Empty Re: Who do you prefer? Xena or Wonder Woman? on Sat Sep 01, 2018 1:44 pm

Found this great video of Xena. Lucy Lawless really was just the most stunningly beautiful human being who ever lived!



Its hilarious when you think that Jodie thinks her castrated, Bubble from Ab Fab style version of the Doctor is going to be a better role model and heroic role for little girls than Xena.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

I wonder if Xena will beg someone to be her best friend.

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6Who do you prefer? Xena or Wonder Woman? Empty Re: Who do you prefer? Xena or Wonder Woman? on Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:18 am

I prefer Xena, she's more layered, has a great love/hate bond with her villains, there's a mix of absolute farce and compelling tragedy, there are actual long-lasting consequences and isn't afraid to tackle sensitive religious and sexuality issues in later seasons.

Wonder Woman I'm of two minds of. On one hand I hate how some deluded folk pair her with Superman and I feel her post-crisis version was a homewrecker who often got in the way of Lois and Clark's own relationship...on the other hand I like that they had her finally acknowledge her feelings for Kal-El were just puppy love, and went back to her more traditional love interest Steve Trevor...but the price paid was a lack of a coherent direction in the comics shortly after Rucka left, where writers focused more on a Gary Stu long long Brother character than Diana. Drove me straight off the book, though I'll try to attach myself to it now that G Willow Wilson is coming on board.

The movie was good too.

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7Who do you prefer? Xena or Wonder Woman? Empty Re: Who do you prefer? Xena or Wonder Woman? on Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:00 pm

Another thing I'd like to add to this thread after reading through some old Wonder Woman comics and just going over the characters history in general, is that I actually now think Wonder Woman is only really good for crossovers.

I like her as a member of the Justice League, as she brings a supernatural, mythological aspect to it. Also its interesting watching her interact with the others, as she is often the most experienced hero there, and knows more about magic, and her very presence challenges a lot of what they know about the world. Even Superman.

However on her own the character is very difficult to get right because of her backstory. Wonder Woman comes from an island of all women, who have cut themselves off from the corrupt world of men.

Sadly that often leads to a war of the sexes story. War of the sexes stories, from both perspectives are always the absolute worst stories for a writer to explore for various reasons.

Number 1, they are fucking stupid. There is NEVER going to be a full blown war between the sexes, as the species is doomed if that happens. Yeah okay there might be periods where one gender is a bit more favoured in society though even then that's debatable. Years ago people would say it was men, but men were still the ones sent off to die in wars, and work down the pits, whilst today, people would say women, but women are the ones who are being told by feminist mayors to not go outside in European cities to avoid being raped. Often the truth is more complicated. Still even if you do think that one is always favoured, then a full blown war is never going to happen.

Even if we could find another way to reproduce like cloning, men and women need each other. Outside of rabid, psycho, sjws and MRAs most men and women like each other. As romantic partners, friends, family etc. Most people want the other sex as company in some way in their lives. There's no way most people would be happy to go along with something like that that would wipe out their brothers, mothers, daughters, friends etc. Its comical.

Second these stories are often just an excuse for the writer to vent their frustration against the opposite sex, in really cringey, petty, mean spirited ways.

Finally these types of stories will often after having been petty against one gender for an episode, bring in some ham fisted, condescending "lets all get along" crap at the end.

Any story that features that crap is awful, from both perspectives. Power from Blake's 7, Hercules and the Amazon Women, and of course all the anti men SJW crap in shows like Supergirl. The only time it works is in Futurama, because that's a comedy (and takes shots at both genders, like Zapp's crass remarks and women's sports being crap.)

Sadly however this is woven into the very DNA of Wonder Woman. Its hard to escape it. The 2017 movie did its best, by just skirting over it (which in this day and age really deserves applause), but most other adaptations and versions tend to revel in it. We get versions like the 2009 movie, that was pretty crappy (the only good thing about it was Alfred Molina's stellar performance as Ares.) Which is just a big whinge against men from Gail Simone. (No surprise there.)

Then we get other versions written by men where the Amazon's of Themyscera are rewritten as psycho man hating lesbian bitches, because that's what happens when there aren't men around to cure lesbianism with their big dicks Big Grin

IMO that's another way Xena is better. She is just a hero who is a woman. She's extremely feminine. They don't cover it up, they make her strong because of it, but they don't get bogged down in women vs men crap. Okay Xena has the Amazons too, but even then the Amazons, bar that awful Hercules movie (which came first) never get bogged down in a man vs women thing.

Sadly the only way Wonder Woman could be free of that gender politics crap is to change her origin, but since her origin is such a big part of her character you can't do that, so its always got to be there. This coupled with her poor rogues gallery, and the fact that she was also conceived as a bit of a wank fantasy (look up the guy who created her. It all makes sense when you read about his private life LOL.) Means that Xena takes this IMO.

Again this is not to say you can't do anything interesting with the character, and Gal Gadot is one of the best action heroes of all time, but ultimately I think Wonder Woman really isn't all she is cracked up to be.

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8Who do you prefer? Xena or Wonder Woman? Empty Re: Who do you prefer? Xena or Wonder Woman? on Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:01 am

Lynda Carter is MY wonder Woman and she was perfect!
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