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1UK Politics Empty UK Politics on Wed 13 Jun 2018, 6:56 pm

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2UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Wed 13 Jun 2018, 8:47 pm

The polls suggest a Tory lead.

Oh dear.

Oh dear.

Oh...down the line or straight across?

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3UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Wed 13 Jun 2018, 10:05 pm

Eh, can't you see the key? I think I can resize it

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4UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 12:29 am

I was talking about the real polls Sad

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5UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 12:51 am

Oh sorry, i blame Corbyn. The only good thing i can sais that she is keeping out people far worse.

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6UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 1:17 am

Corbyn is a liability, but I still kind of like him. He's like the uncle who drinks real ale, grows his own veg and has photo albums full of Woodstock ravers and camper vans.

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7UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 1:29 am

It's not that I dislike him per se, it's more that he can't unite a party and is polarising on a national scale. He is pathologically anti-nationalistic and at the same time seems to favour leaving Europe, giving back the Falklands while snubbing the local residents and being sympathetic to terrorist organisations. The media blew all that out of proportion but he gave them enough to work with.

A proper Socialist choice? The nearest we have had for decades, perhaps. Blair was a supremo at managing public perception. Corbyn just isn't. I wanted to like him - but... meh...

A poster on another forum always thought I was rabbidly pro-Corbyn which used to make me laugh

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8UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 1:40 am

I doubt anyone could unite either of the major parties right now.

Backbench Corbyn was fervently anti-nationalistic, but he knows the only way he can win is to embrace some form of nationalism post-Brexit.

I don't think there's much more than a naive sniff of truth to the terrorism stuff. I think he felt - like many of the left in the 80s - that he was standing up to oppressive forces by engaging both sides of both the Irish and Palestinian problem. My own personal experience of this sentiment was a brief stint in the SWP in the late 90s, where the oppression narrative very occasionally spilled over into support for the most grotesque terroristic factions by some 'comrades', so I do understand those fears (I left not long afterwards).

As you say, there is problably too much baggage there, and not much in the way of PR savvy.

I would still like to see a populist left platform from the labour party, but led by someone with the Machiavellian traits to take it to the shower of shit that currently resides in power.

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9UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 2:01 am

Yeah, I mean he vaguely made some sympathetic comments to some dubious parties. It's late, I'll find them tomorrow. People love to tut and clutch their pearls over that sort of thing but it wasn't much to get excited about - pretty much what you said I think.

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10UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Fri 15 Jun 2018, 9:31 pm

People are huffy cos "Chris Chope, who just stopped the upskirting bill, also voted against equal marriage, minimum wage, equal pay transparency, Turing's pardon. A private landlord, he opposed a bill to halt revenge evictions. And in 2007/08 he claimed £136,992 expenses including £881 to fix a sofa."

You can see his voting record here: https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10103/christopher_chope/christchurch/votes

He has fiercely opposed Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch being merged into two unitary authorities.

Plans to scrap Dorset's nine councils to create two unitary authorities have been approved by the Secretary of State for Local Government.

In a ministerial statement, Sajid Javid said he had decided to implement the merger having previously said he was "minded" to support it.
Eight of the county's local authorities voted to support the proposal but it was opposed by Christchurch council.

The decision is subject to parliamentary approval.

The new structure, aimed at saving £108m over six years, would come into effect in April 2019.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-43199674

One of the main reasons for him opposing this is finances. "...Christchurch is a debt-free authority with several millions in the bank. Bournemouth and Poole have huge deficits and are millions in debt. If we merge, Christchurch assets will be offset against Bournemouth and Poole’s combined debts and Christchurch will then be in debt."

http://christchurchcitizensassociation.co.uk/2017/11/13/urgent-announcement-proposed-merger/

I have to wonder if he regrets supporting Brexit. The government needs to tighten belts cos of Brexit and... oh... his area will be in debt!

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12UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Tue 19 Jun 2018, 4:14 pm

@Rawkuss wrote:It's not that I dislike him per se, it's more that he can't unite a party and is polarising on a national scale.

I'd say increasing the parties membership to over half a million to the largest subscribed party in Europe is fairly uniting and inclusive myself, it's the MP's which he can't get behind him because there's such a load of Tory infiltrators who joined during Blair's reign who are firmly in the pockets and employ of the Tory press.

In fact, this is Corbyn's greatest weakness, because he wants to be so inclusive of everyone he is too soft on discipline with them throwing their toys out the pram just prior to every single election or when the Tories are at their weakest(i.e. immediately after the EU Referendum) He does need to grow more of a backbone in this regard.


@Rawkuss wrote:He is pathologically anti-nationalistic and at the same time seems to favour leaving Europe,
I'd actually argue that nationalising industry and public services out of privatised foreign hands and interests is actually one of THE most nationalistic policies of any party at the moment.

Corbyn would've rather a remain and reform policy in regard to the EU, but the decision has been made now. If Corbyn doesn't recognise the vote to leave he will be instantly branded "The Enemy of Democracy"by every tabloid in the land and Labour will probably subsequently occupy the same barren wilderness currently occupied by the Lib Dems.

Over a third of Labour voters opted for Leave and two thirds of Labour constituencies are Leave ones.

I voted Remain and hate Brexit, but think Corbyn would be an absolute fool to try and de-legitimize the vote as the Blairites would desire.

This is the Tories all-consuming mess and will eventually utterly destroy them, best to give them enough rope.

@Rawkuss wrote: giving back the Falklands while snubbing the local residents and being sympathetic to terrorist organisations.

Interesting choice of words. "Giving back" seems to imply that the Falklands at one time belonged to the Argentines. It didn't.

I think Corbyn would rather thaw relations between the Islanders and Argentinians to re-open trade routes again which would be of mutual benefit to both parties.

Corbyn has had a dialogue with organisations who have a terrorist wing or arm, but he's never agreed with those methods. He prefers diplomacy.

@Rawkuss wrote:A proper Socialist choice? The nearest we have had for decades, perhaps. Blair was a supremo at managing public perception. Corbyn just isn't. I wanted to like him - but... meh...

Yes, and Blairs management of public perception was called "spin" - it's one of the reasons why people are very cynical towards politicians and no longer trust them.

The mainstream media are never going to give Corbyn a smooth ride, Socialism is not in their interests at all and threatens their cosy cabal of puppeteering politicians and leading the political narrative.

He'd be utterly wasting his time if he even attempted to jump into bed with them. He'd be like Gordon Brown, rolling over and over on the floor grovelling for a bone to Murdoch whilst getting repeatedly kicked in the ribs like a dog.

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13UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Wed 20 Jun 2018, 10:36 am

It seems Jeremy Corbyn believes it would be 'giving back', according to Falklands politician, Dick Sawle:

Islanders have also vented their fury.

Speaking to the Sunday Express, Dick Sawle, a former Member of the Island’s Legislative Assembly, said: “We are all concerned here. Of course he is not in power, but it is very worrying to know that we now have a party leader with such an anti-Falkland stance.

“Jeremy Corbyn buys into the myth that in 1833 we evicted an Argentine settlement. There is no historical truth in this.”

“How can a politician who claims to care so much about human rights blatantly ignore the most fundamental human right of all – the democratic will of a sovereign people? This right was affirmed by the referendum in 2013.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/606466/Falklanders-Corbyn-hypocrite-Argentina-pledge-power-sharing-deal

The island makes a modest turnover from its fishing industry and has a tiny population which would make any trade deal tiny. The oil just off the coast was what they really wanted, a price slump seems to have gone against us https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-13/falklands-flagship-oil-field-off-target-at-current-crude-prices

The islanders despise him. He totally ignores their wishes and has refused to engage with them as you can see from the bottom of this article https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/falkland-islands-pitch-jeremy-corbyn-falls-deaf-ears/

So Corbyn intends to thaw relations by trampling all over the people who inhabit these islands? That's an odd tactic, to say the least Confused

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14UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Sun 01 Jul 2018, 12:43 am

@Rawkuss wrote:It seems Jeremy Corbyn believes it would be 'giving back', according to Falklands politician, Dick Sawle:

Islanders have also vented their fury.

Speaking to the Sunday Express, Dick Sawle, a former Member of the Island’s Legislative Assembly, said: “We are all concerned here. Of course he is not in power, but it is very worrying to know that we now have a party leader with such an anti-Falkland stance.

“Jeremy Corbyn buys into the myth that in 1833 we evicted an Argentine settlement. There is no historical truth in this.”

Sorry, but this is pure hearsay - unless you can actually find a find an actual quote with Corbyn actually saying this.

I prefer to believe what comes from the lion's mouth - and the Daily Express?

They are hardly going to give Corbyn good notice in a month of sundays.

According to the Michigan Journal of International Law, "England first established a settlement on the Falkland Islands in 1690, and claimed them in 1765. It withdrew its settlement in 1774, but never revoked its claim. Argentina inherited its claim from Spain, and it established its first settlement in 1820. In 1833, Britain, acting on its claim, forcibly evicted the Argentine military" and also, "Argentina does have several United Nations resolutions and regional organizations supporting its position."

http://www.mjilonline.org/jeremy-corbyn-and-competing-claims-over-the-falkland-islands/
 

@Rawkuss wrote:“How can a politician who claims to care so much about human rights blatantly ignore the most fundamental human right of all – the democratic will of a sovereign people? This right was affirmed by the referendum in 2013.”

and Corbyn has publically recognised that vote.

“There has to be a discussion about how we can bring about some reasonable accommodation with Argentina.

”It seems to me ridiculous that in the 21st century we could get into some enormous conflict with Argentina about the islands just off it. Yes, of course the Islanders have an enormous say in this; let's bring about some sensible dialogue."

http://en.mercopress.com/2017/04/29/labour-manifesto-expected-to-strongly-support-falklands-right-to-self-determination

Before the Falklands War both the Falklands and Argentina had trading routes and agreements - it's daft that so much which the Islanders require is imported from so far away when a trading agreement between themselves and the Argentines would be beneficial to both parties.

@Rawkuss wrote:The island makes a modest turnover from its fishing industry and has a tiny population which would make any trade deal tiny. The oil just off the coast was what they really wanted, a price slump seems to have gone against us https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-13/falklands-flagship-oil-field-off-target-at-current-crude-prices

The islanders despise him. He totally ignores their wishes and has refused to engage with them as you can see from the bottom of this article https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/falkland-islands-pitch-jeremy-corbyn-falls-deaf-ears/

So Corbyn intends to thaw relations by trampling all over the people who inhabit these islands? That's an odd tactic, to say the least  Confused  

Yet where there have been similar previous territorial disputes over islands with Finland and Sweden, they employed a strategy of joint administration and it avoided conflict and death and the results looked similar to Hong Kong for example.

And The Spectator?

Come on, another raving right wing mouthpiece which is never going to give the full story on Corbyn.

Corbyn has maintained the Falklands having a cooperative relationship with Argentina whilst retaining their British nationality.



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15UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Mon 09 Jul 2018, 8:58 pm

Boris has fucked off. LOL

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16UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Mon 09 Jul 2018, 10:42 pm

Boris, Davies & Baker (and a PPS) have all fucked off. I wonder if there could be a Boris-led coup from the backbenchs - just in time for Trump's visit!

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17UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Thu 12 Jul 2018, 7:55 pm

Gove is positioning himself just nicely for a swift sideways stabbing undercut into Theresa May's ribs...

I personally can't wait for us to be hauled back to the polling booths to get rid of the current shower in power.

They make even Majors dysfunctional Government in the 90's seem competent by comparison.

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18UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Thu 12 Jul 2018, 10:27 pm

And the current Tory government seems to have learnt nothing from Major's Maastricht-era troubles. If the white paper doesn't get torn to pieces by the Eurosceptics it'll get savaged by the EU. That Irish border issue still hasn't been solved.

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19UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Sat 14 Jul 2018, 3:45 pm

2-3000 turnout for the Free Tommy rally Very Happy and they are violent already https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/tommy-robinson-protest-clashes-break-out-as-thousands-of-activists-descend-on-whitehall-a3887361.html

Conservative backbencher, Michael Fabricant has an apartheid flag https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-michael-fabricants-apartheid-flag

A neo-Nazi bomber was stopped in Scotland https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/nazi-extremist-jailed-after-bomb-kit-found-in-edinburgh-flat-1-4768648

and Trump's ambassador lobbied Britain on behalf of jailed right-wing activist Tommy Robinson
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-britain-robinson/trumps-ambassador-lobbied-britain-on-behalf-of-jailed-right-wing-activist-tommy-robinson-idUSKBN1K331J

And the so-called patriots that support Yaxley-Lennon while screeching about protecting our sovereignty want this, they want to be cucked by Trump.

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20UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Sun 15 Jul 2018, 5:01 am

@Rawkuss wrote:

And the so-called patriots that support Yaxley-Lennon while screeching about protecting our sovereignty want this, they want to be cucked by Trump.

They do.

It seems to me that all of these hard-line Brexit supporters want to be fracked right up their backsides by Trump before he chlorinates out their bowels to then give them the lifetime of debt private medical insurance bill afterwards.

What the fuck has the UK jumping to become the servile poodle of Trump Town got to do with sovereignty?

I know the EU was far from perfect, but talk about jumping out of the fucking frying pan and straight into the fire...

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21UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Sun 15 Jul 2018, 12:18 pm

That was my way of highlighting the paradox of shouting about Sharia Law but wanting Trump to get involved to give them what they want.

A bit like they one minute say Tommy Robinson was reporting on a case that had been covered up and then claim he only said what was in the public domain! So which is it? Was it a secret? Or was it public knowledge?

They also claim the Police are covering up Muslim crimes cos the papers show that it's a real problem but then claim the papers aren't reliable cos they frame their shitty violent protest as what it is instead of blaming Antifa or that the papers aren't reporting on Tommy because everybody has it in for them.

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22UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Thu 19 Jul 2018, 7:56 pm

A Tory government is and will remain better than anything Corbyn's Labour party could manage.
Get Mogg in charge and it's a no-brainer.

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23UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Fri 20 Jul 2018, 12:38 am

I realise that Mogg is the right-wing and hardcore Brexiteers current wet dream and he will have probably earned himself a top level cabinet job once Gove has knived May in the ribs to allow Boris in at the top job(with himself as Chancellor)

Gove and Boris are kind of like a cross between the Kray Twins and the Chuckle Brothers, and have already done the pact since their embarrassing bungle after the EU referendum.

However, it will be the shortest Government in history and make even Theresa May's term look like a Thatcher longevity by comparison, there is no way it is going to survive the cliff-edge Brexit which is completely unavoidable now, and I don't believe that Boris has either the diplomacy nor tact to re-negotiate the DUP deal - I'm looking forward to the immense chaos ahead, it's going to be funny as hell.

As for Corbyn, until he's in power you can't say whether he will be a disaster or not - you may not like his policies or what he stands for, but there is no evidence to prove either way until he's had a trial run.
He needs to grow himself a bit of spine to deal with the Blairites who persistently undermine him first before taking power though, otherwise it will be a Government that will soon be practically as dysfunction as the Tories currently are.  

Personally I think if we are going to be out of the EU then we need to rebuild the Attlee consensus which saw us through the post-war period because neoliberal Thatcherism was devised purely to service the EU financial markets and will not work outside of it - not unless you want to be a vassal state of Trump Town.

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24UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Tue 28 Aug 2018, 7:25 pm

Here's the Bedroom Tax kicking a severely disabled man out of his home, that the council had spent tens of thousands of pounds on adapting, forcing him to be washed in a paddling pool in the front room of his smaller property:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/bedroom-tax-echo-readers-react-9914491

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25UK Politics Empty Re: UK Politics on Tue 28 Aug 2018, 9:55 pm

Male Police Officer arrest woman for slapping him on the arse, thoughts?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/woman-arrested-after-slapping-police-inspectors-bum-at-notting-hill-carnival-a3921781.html

This seems thin-skinned of him, to me. I know it would be different if genders were reversed but that's because genders are generally different. I don't deny anyone's right to be offended or whatever, but is this really such a hardship?

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