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ClockworkOcean
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1Problems with Muslim community Empty Problems with Muslim community 8th July 2019, 9:51 am

burrunjor

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This is from Katie Hopkins about Muslims protesting against LGBT lessons being taught in schools. Now don't worry I do not like Katie Hopkins. That's the point however. Hopkins who is a genuine right winger agrees 100 percent with the Muslims here! She has common ground with them.



These are the kind of problems with the Muslim community that need addressing. Whilst there were some Christians involved in these protests, it was majority Muslims. Their community is far more homophobic than any other in the UK, far more misogynistic and far more anti semitic, simply because of their religion.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjRyc7P9KTjAhXOSsAKHc5_D9cQFjAAegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fuk-news%2F2016%2Fapr%2F11%2Fbritish-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law&usg=AOvVaw3HRVYSGn3y998E_tWWvaR0

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiJrLv69KTjAhVLiVwKHeYxB_kQFjAEegQIBhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ajc.org%2Fanti-semitism-among-elements-of-the-arab-and-muslim-population-in-europe&usg=AOvVaw15jEiAQLkhdEeXVL-2Mdsi

The more the Muslim population increases with these attitudes unchallenged, the more influence they get in our society, the more there is going to be a huge culture clash.

You shouldn't be opposed to LGBT lessons in schools. Obviously yes the lessons should be age appropriate, but that's the same for any sex lessons. To single those about LGBT people out in particular as perverse or in danger of warping kids automatically is vile. Either all sex lessons are inappropriate or none of them are.

Now again I'm not saying that all Muslims are homophobic or that Muslims should be banned from living here or anything extreme like that. Instead the homophobia and bigotry which comes from the Muslim community needs confronted and ridiculed the same way evangelical, creationist loonies beliefs were and regularly still are. Their religion needs reformed as a whole, and they need to be encouraged to sort out the problems with homophobia in their own community, rather than told it doesn't exist.

Finally absolutely NO concessions are to be made to the Muslim community regarding this type of thing. They need to fit in with our more tolerant culture, not the other way around.

Its disgusting that so many Birmingham schools actually stopped teaching lessons about LGBT people just to placate conservative Muslims.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjMgf7K9aTjAhVOi1wKHYeYAu4QFjAHegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-england-birmingham-47613578&usg=AOvVaw2b3vN3PNdugdL3Y70WoXEp

These people will put the Muslims before absolutely any other group to avoid being called racist. Its utterly pathetic and cowardly.

Ironically the more this shit goes on, the more danger there will be of a genuine violent backlash against Muslims. What else do you expect when you suppress all legit criticism of one ideology? Unless the legit problems that are emerging from the Muslim community are dealt with in a civilised, and reasonable debate then ts going to get ugly, really soon on both sides. The SJWs will be entirely to blame for shutting down all conversation.

2Problems with Muslim community Empty Re: Problems with Muslim community 8th July 2019, 11:43 am

ClockworkOcean

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Islam and its associated problems have become a political football, cynically exploited by both sides. If you dare to criticise Islam or object to any of the dangerous beliefs and practices of its adherents, the left will accuse you of being some kind of neo-Nazi who secretly supports the violent mass deportation of all Arabs. Condemn those on the right who genuinely would go that far, and you'll be accused of enabling the eradication of traditional British culture.

The only solution is to strive for an uncompromisingly secular society in which religious beliefs aren't protected from scrutiny or granted any influence whatsoever over public life. The right have always opposed secularism in an effort to pander to fundamentalist Christian theocrats, but I never thought I'd see the day when the left posed just as much of a threat. That sentiment rings true across the board, really. Whether we're talking about racism, sexism, bigotry, censorship, pandering to theocrats, smear campaigns, or political violence and intimidation, this decade has seen all of the sociopolitical evils that once seemed the exclusive domain of the right adopted wholesale by the mainstream left.

3Problems with Muslim community Empty Re: Problems with Muslim community 8th July 2019, 12:00 pm

burrunjor

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ClockworkOcean wrote:Islam and its associated problems have become a political football, cynically exploited by both sides. If you dare to criticise Islam or object to any of the dangerous beliefs and practices of its adherents, the left will accuse you of being some kind of neo-Nazi who secretly supports the violent mass deportation of all Arabs. Condemn those on the right who genuinely would go that far, and you'll be accused of enabling the eradication of traditional British culture.

The only solution is to strive for an uncompromisingly secular society in which religious beliefs aren't protected from scrutiny or granted any influence whatsoever over public life. The right have always opposed secularism in an effort to pander to fundamentalist Christian theocrats, but I never thought I'd see the day when the left posed just as much of a threat. That sentiment rings true across the board, really. Whether we're talking about racism, sexism, bigotry, censorship, pandering to theocrats, smear campaigns, or political violence and intimidation, this decade has seen all of the sociopolitical evils that once seemed the exclusive domain of the right adopted wholesale by the mainstream left.

Absolutely. Religion and state have to be kept separate IMO. As for the left and the right, well it just goes to show the Horseshoe effect theory was always right. (I'm in the middle of a horseshoe series on my blog right now where I thorougly examine how both sides are exactly the same. I need to get back to it this week.)

The left gained the social power the right used to have, and they have abused it like the right did.

People getting oversensitive about Christianity being mocked in films like Life of Brian has been replaced with people getting over sensitive about Islam being criticised.





McCarthyism has been replaced by MeToo and third wave feminism.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjQnL6Ck6XjAhVbWxUIHWwTC7QQFjAAegQIAxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fscience%2F2015%2Fjun%2F13%2Ftim-hunt-hung-out-to-dry-interview-mary-collins&usg=AOvVaw0IZy_W3kOFOQLTtXzzUCxF

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjh9KmUk6XjAhXVTxUIHW56AGYQFjAAegQIABAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bostonglobe.com%2Fmagazine%2F2016%2F02%2F04%2Fhow-red-scare-destroyed-small-town-teacher%2FOyzaMTrsxMsx54liP1YX9I%2Fstory.html&usg=AOvVaw3PI0LTyLUnoCBjlQ40AGoW

Racist attitudes towards black people being inherently more violent have been replaced with racist attitudes towards white people being more inherently racist.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiW_OKJlKXjAhURY8AKHayPD48QFjAJegQIAxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fentertainment%2Fafrofest-festival-biracial-rapper-white-people-of-color&usg=AOvVaw1IjYJhppToQOF_RWYuGEkL

It should be a real wake up call about how tribal humans are, but sadly lots of people who are frustrated with the left are now just becoming part of another tribe.

The Iconoclast, Sargon of Akkad, all of these guys are prime examples of people who've just swapped one tribe for another, but who don't have any real principles. Hence why Sargon will rally against the left's attempts to shut down free speech like Count Dankula, but will be an apologist for McCarthy and Pinochet.

Sadly from the looks of things the pendulum is just going to keep swinging back and forth. The next generation will be hard line right wingers in protest to millenial morons, but then the generation after will be a new form of Hippies/SJWs etc. Lets just hope the reasonable people in between are able to get a few decent ideas rough in between the fanatics in the meantime.

4Problems with Muslim community Empty Re: Problems with Muslim community 12th July 2019, 4:44 pm

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5Problems with Muslim community Empty Re: Problems with Muslim community 13th July 2019, 5:03 pm

SomeCallMeEnglishGiraffe

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I think that's the first time I've ever seen anyone get banned on the forum. What happened for this to happen, I didn't see what this guy has said for him to get banned?

6Problems with Muslim community Empty Re: Problems with Muslim community 13th July 2019, 5:11 pm

Tanmann

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It's a member who's joined a few times.

He has posted some very dodgy stuff about the Nazis, and some very hateful remarks about women.

The post he just made was basically blaming the grooming gangs on the female victims themselves.

7Problems with Muslim community Empty Re: Problems with Muslim community 13th July 2019, 5:12 pm

Pepsi Maxil

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SomeCallMeEnglishGiraffe wrote:I think that's the first time I've ever seen anyone get banned on the forum. What happened for this to happen, I didn't see what this guy has said for him to get banned?

Edward Barlow is notorious on this forum for being a sick and twisted individual. He has made accounts before and legged it on every occasion when members started questioning his abhorrent views. This time he made the claim that all women should be groomed.

8Problems with Muslim community Empty Re: Problems with Muslim community 13th July 2019, 5:36 pm

SomeCallMeEnglishGiraffe

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Alright, that's definitely fair. Glad that I never had to run into him, saying something like that is despicable and I hope that creature doesn't come back to the forum.

9Problems with Muslim community Empty Re: Problems with Muslim community 13th July 2019, 5:41 pm

Tanmann

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He'll no doubt try again but we'll be vigilant.

He really needs to get himself some help.

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