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1 Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:38 pm

My fault! I looked at the American ran website and once again people are popping at Jon Pertwee.
Usual SJW crap about how his Doctor treated women. But again, completely overlooking how the third Doctor hated all authority figures from ministries! That's one of the things that made him awesome.
Plus he was an actor. That seems to have been misunderstood along the way.
These days new Doctors go for the more eccentric and Pertwee's Doctor is kicked into the long grass and dismissed as a Tory. (It's called CLASS! More than a spin off series!)
So I've come here to ask you is Pertwee worse than being the forgotten Doctor, but the most hated Doctor by modern fans? (Notice I didn't say "New"?)
Jon Pertwee was a gentleman who was actually funny. Seeing pieces of crap taking potshots at him seems to have set me off!
But there's got to be Pertwee fans on here if all places?
His progression throughout his series has never been matched. No Doctor since has come close to his authority. When Capaldi became "President Of The Exposition" you know Pertwee's Doctor would have  I been reluctant and then took charge effectively.
When Tennant and Smith were comparing screwdriver sizes, you just know the third Doctor would have cut them down with a remark.
Oh well, Pertwee is our secret then. But he never used to be! Even in the 90"s he was popular. He had more stories repeated on BBC 2 in that decade.
What's happened? Seriously, what the hell has happened?!!



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2 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:41 pm

People have become brainwashed, brain dead and stupid.

Of course he was a great Doctor, and vastly superior to any of the 21st century twats.
I really couldn't give much of a fuck what new who fans think about anything, though. The fact they're new who fans pretty much removes their credibility on anything... LOL

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3 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:00 am

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Are you on about GB? I frequent that place and I must say the 'SJW' remarks against Pertwee are minimal. There's an interesting discussion going on about whether or not he was an establishment figure; each 'side' has roughly equal numbers, and there are some thoughtful points being made.

Pertwee was, of course, an awesome Doctor. He's not my favourite, but he's head and shoulders above most. I think 'Terror' came close to presenting him as Tory-lite at least in terms of his allegiances -- the guy visits gentlemen's clubs! -- but his ideology is evidently that of a staunch internationalist socialist, which the Doctor always is, more or less. He's also an intellectual, referencing phenomenology in 'Time Monster'. Season 7 is fucking awesome, nothing that adult was done again until the novels, and it shows the might Pert at his best, too, particularly in 'Silurians' (for those who like the Silurians, check out Jim Mortimore's Blood Heat. What it does is quite startling, and the inclusion of the third Doctor is really rather disturbing).

Whenever I watch a Pertwee story I'm reminded how disappointing new Who has been in the main. Some of his stuff wasn't amazing, but he never phoned it in, not once - and pretty much every other Doctor did at one point or another, sometimes for reasons out of their control.

Season 11 starts to reach the highs of season 7 again, particularly with 'Dinosaurs' and 'Spiders' - Tommy in 'Spiders' might be my favourite character of the entire 70s 'era':

SARAH: But, Tommy, you're normal. You're just like everybody else.
TOMMY: I sincerely hope not.

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4 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:13 am

Jon Pertwee was hands down the best Doctor for me.

Pertwee to me was what the Doctor should be. He always seemed in control and smarter than everyone else around him, but they didn't blow him up into being a god.

He actually got the shit kicked out of him quite a lot, but you always felt safe with him because you knew no matter how bad things were he would never give in and find some way out, because he was just so determined.

I also loved the humour Jon brought to the role. Everyone says he abandoned it, but that's not true. He abandoned over the top, silly, slapstick stuff, but he was very witty and funny when he did things like wind petty authority figures up.

"Allow me to congratulate you sir. You have the most closed mind of anyone I have ever met". "Can't shoot me unless you fill out your little forms first eh?" Those lines as well as the way he would wind up the Brig always made me laugh. His humour was subtle but it was very strong.

It does make me laugh that people actually say that Jon Pertwee was the Tory Doctor  LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  Jon Pertwee's Doctor if anything was the most anti establishment Doctor! A lot of his stories had a bit of a political slant to them (not to the point where it took over the show like in the Capaldi era, but still look at the Mutants, an obvious anti Apartheid story.)

The thing is though that's what I am always saying about the SJW's. They actually aren't even left wing. They are a bunch of posers you see, like Rik from the Young Ones. They've heard things from their hippie parents about the 60's and the civil rights movement and things like that and they want to be seen as the great people who fought against injustice just like the previous generation.

Problem is they don't have a fucking clue about anything so they just latch onto things that sound cool and left wing. Hence why they do things like declare Lenin to be one of their greatest heroes and then call themselves Anarchists despite the fact that Lenin despised Anarchists!

Thus it doesn't surprise me that the politics of the Pertwee era goes over their heads. Their analysis of it will be "OH MY GOD JO ISN'T THE HERO THAT'S SEXIST, AND JON'S DOCTOR IS POSH AND LIKES FINE WINE HE'S AN OBVIOUS TORY!"

The Pertwee era is one of the best for me. I remember the great disappointment with Capaldi was that I hoped that he would be another Pertwee type Doctor. A charismatic, strong, no nonsense, incredibly moral, mature Doctor.

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5 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:04 am

Ye will always be the best Doctor to me. The guy actually came to visit me in Manchester hospital when I was having eye surgery, in full costume. My mother had arranged it with his agent. A true true gent.

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6 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:01 pm

@Mike wrote:I think 'Terror' came close to presenting him as Tory-lite at least in terms of his allegiances -- the guy visits gentlemen's clubs! -- but his ideology is evidently that of a staunch internationalist socialist, which the Doctor always is, more or less.

It also figures that a character who is exiled to Earth in order to 'protect' the human race, should also have numerous connections to the establishment of the time period.

The Third Doctor is there as a pragmatist, an influencer; a deeply-respected voice among many others. Indeed he's a much more understated figure in terms of his power and authority than any of the new Doctors. The Doctor has to fight, to reason and ameliorate the reactionary and authoritarian instincts of his colleagues and those in power. He doesn't always get his way either.

In recent years he's swanned onto the screen, mesmerized everyone with how clever and God-like he is, and has endlessly proclaimed "I AM THE DOCTOR!" It reminds me a bit of a demented stage actor in a care home who remembers an old line and repeats it ad nauseum. Except, sadly, there are no old boys around to shoot him with their WWII service revolvers.

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7 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:28 pm

The revisionism of the third Doctor and Pertwee has been going on since the early '90s. Gareth Roberts wrote a defence of Pertwee in DWB, I think, at about that time.

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8 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:14 pm

I think Jon Pertwee's Doctor is the biggest THREAT to those sjw's as he's everything they DON'T like

he's a positive intelligent white middle aged looking male character for a start - thus he's ticking each box sjw's loathe !

yet he's  curiously 'young' for his age, quick witted, resourceful, action orientated, and while distainful of aggresive violence is nevertheless physically strong and capable ('I took lessons from John L. Sullivan') and very modern too being a gadget lover and scientifically adept, yet he loves to dress in a flambouyant offbeat but elegant manner and appreciates the finer things in life such as good wines and good food etc

A disciple of the thinkings of renegade Timelord Cho Je he is himself something of a rebel who also likes to belittle 'authority' - apparently on his home world as well as Earth ('in the end I made such a nusiance of myself - re banning miniscopes - the High Council of The Timelords had to take action...') - yet despite his distain for both Authority and the Military he does have respect for those of strong character in each and is not anti establishment entirely - he has befriended members of the British Royal family whom he found a 'charming family' (no doubt respectful of their sense of duty) and for his own occasional 'digs' at his military friend he's quick to defend the Brigadier when Jo makes fun of her Commanding Officer - as he reminds Jo - in 'The Daemons'

we can see the third Doctor recognises military authority does have it's strengths and neccessity and that brave men and women in many time zones have laid down their lives in the course of their duty as he reminds the Thal Brigade leader in 'Planet of The Daleks' at the end when he asks him to ensure war is NOT glorified when they return home as heroes...reminding him of the fallen colleagues who won't be returning home...

He's a deep thinking character who has a high morale code, respects and admires people like the young alternative power group led by Prof Clifford Jones whom he meets in Wales during 'The Green Death' story,  and he has great respect for sentient life with a strong philosophy telling Mike Yates in 'Invasion of The Dinsosaurs';

'you can't go back to a Golden Age Mike..because there never was a Golden Age, what you must do is work to improve your world today...'

Above all the Third Doctor is a positive upbeat if offbeat terribly DECENT chap ! - he reminds us of all the better qualities of character people should aspire too

I think the Third Doctor and Jon Pertwee's portrayal of him was completely splendid

oh and remember Jo was the 'hero' of 'The Daemons' saving The Doctor and everyone - while Dr. Liz Shaw saves him in 'Spearhead From Space' too so it wasn't all 'sexist' as some sjw's try to make out now...

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9 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:10 am

@sanchez ll wrote:I think Jon Pertwee's Doctor is the biggest THREAT to those sjw's as he's everything they DON'T like

he's a positive intelligent white middle aged looking male character for a start - thus he's ticking each box sjw's loathe !

yet he's  curiously 'young' for his age, quick witted, resourceful, action orientated, and while distainful of aggresive violence is nevertheless physically strong and capable ('I took lessons from John L. Sullivan') and very modern too being a gadget lover and scientifically adept, yet he loves to dress in a flambouyant offbeat but elegant manner and appreciates the finer things in life such as good wines and good food etc

A disciple of the thinkings of renegade Timelord Cho Je he is himself something of a rebel who also likes to belittle 'authority' - apparently on his home world as well as Earth ('in the end I made such a nusiance of myself - re banning miniscopes - the High Council of The Timelords had to take action...') - yet despite his distain for both Authority and the Military he does have respect for those of strong character in each and is not anti establishment entirely - he has befriended members of the British Royal family whom he found a 'charming family' (no doubt respectful of their sense of duty) and for his own occasional 'digs' at his military friend he's quick to defend the Brigadier when Jo makes fun of her Commanding Officer - as he reminds Jo - in 'The Daemons'

we can see the third Doctor recognises military authority does have it's strengths and neccessity and that brave men and women in many time zones have laid down their lives in the course of their duty as he reminds the Thal Brigade leader in 'Planet of The Daleks' at the end when he asks him to ensure war is NOT glorified when they return home as heroes...reminding him of the fallen colleagues who won't be returning home...

He's a deep thinking character who has a high morale code, respects and admires people like the young alternative power group led by Prof Clifford Jones whom he meets in Wales during 'The Green Death' story,  and he has great respect for sentient life with a strong philosophy telling Mike Yates in 'Invasion of The Dinsosaurs';

'you can't go back to a Golden Age Mike..because there never was a Golden Age, what you must do is work to improve your world today...'

Above all the Third Doctor is a positive upbeat if offbeat terribly DECENT chap ! - he reminds us of all the better qualities of character people should aspire too

I think the Third Doctor and Jon Pertwee's portrayal of him was completely splendid

oh and remember Jo was the 'hero' of 'The Daemons' saving The Doctor and everyone - while Dr. Liz Shaw saves him in 'Spearhead From Space' too so it wasn't all 'sexist' as some sjw's try to make out now...

Amazing post. Completely 100 percent spot on in everything.

My god compare Pertwee's attitude to soldiers and war to the infantile the Doctor just hates all soldiers bullshit in Capaldi's time. Pertwee respects soldiers who do what they can to protect their country, but calls out what he feels to be unnecessary aggression like the Brig blowing up the Silurians in their sleep. 12 however for some inexplicable reason just hates all soldiers. Presumably he despises the poor boys dying in the Trenches in WW1?

Hell look at his attitude to Journey Blue, a woman who is forced into a war with the Daleks, and who he refuses to rescue from her war torn life when she wants to escape being made to fight monsters day in day out, just because she is a soldier. What he hates soldiers who fight against the Daleks now? Utter twat!

It is definitely true that we would never get a Pertwee style Doctor nowadays thanks to the SJW's. They couldn't stand a male Doctor that was strong and confident and not getting slapped into place (literally) by his female companion or always doubting himself "AM I A GOD MAN" like a big pussy.

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10 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:40 pm

I hate to admit this is a guilty pleasure of mine. Jon Pertwee graduated from the William Shatner school of singing IE not singing just talking.



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11 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:48 pm

Not my cup of tea. I did quite like him in Season 7 but I still rank him as my least favourite classic Doctor.

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12 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:05 pm

CommanderMaxil1983 wrote:Not my cup of tea. I did quite like him in Season 7 but I still rank him as my least favourite classic Doctor.

What!? Seriously? You mean to say you'd rank the utterly bland and boring Peter Davison over the magnificence that is Jon Pertwee?

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13 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:45 pm

@DeadManRising wrote:
CommanderMaxil1983 wrote:Not my cup of tea. I did quite like him in Season 7 but I still rank him as my least favourite classic Doctor.

What!? Seriously? You mean to say you'd rank the utterly bland and boring Peter Davison over the magnificence that is Jon Pertwee?

Davison was a fine actor and the perfect Doctor for the early 80s.

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14 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:53 pm

CommanderMaxil1983 wrote:
@DeadManRising wrote:
CommanderMaxil1983 wrote:Not my cup of tea. I did quite like him in Season 7 but I still rank him as my least favourite classic Doctor.

What!? Seriously? You mean to say you'd rank the utterly bland and boring Peter Davison over the magnificence that is Jon Pertwee?

Davison was a fine actor and the perfect Doctor for the early 80s.

As I've said, Matt Smith is the biggest one I have problems accepting as Doctorish. Need him explained again. But then I had a friend who couldn't accept Eccleston either who I thought was OK.

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15 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:57 pm

For me Classic Series Doctors

Troughton
McCoy
Tom/Bill (tied)
Pertwee
McGann/C. Baker (tied)
Davison

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16 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:00 pm

All the new series Doctor's have been great for me, especially Matt Smith. But Capaldi is the one I am least sure of cos he has had so much crap writing I find it hard to judge how good he was or wasn't... I mean... Fuck... did he have one really good story? Maybe Heaven Sent but I think that's a little overrated. Oh, the Cyberman two-part finale for his last series, I suppose.

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17 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:03 pm

CommanderMaxil1983 wrote:
@DeadManRising wrote:
CommanderMaxil1983 wrote:Not my cup of tea. I did quite like him in Season 7 but I still rank him as my least favourite classic Doctor.

What!? Seriously? You mean to say you'd rank the utterly bland and boring Peter Davison over the magnificence that is Jon Pertwee?

Davison was a fine actor and the perfect Doctor for the early 80s.

I highly disagree. Peter Davison's Doctor was incredibly bland and passive and also lacked the raw charm, charisma, and eccentricity of his predecessors. There was nothing particularly "Doctorish" about his incarnation. He was far too normal and conventional looking and timid to play the part of the Doctor in my opinion. From my point of view, the Doctor should always have a certain air of authority and leadership about him, and Davison's Doctor just completely lacked that.

But it all comes down to taste at the end of the day. Opinions are like arseholes, and everyone everybody's got one blah blah blah etc.

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18 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:07 pm

Mr. Happy wrote:All the new series Doctor's have been great for me, especially Matt Smith. But Capaldi is the one I am least sure of cos he has had so much crap writing I find it hard to judge how good he was or wasn't... I mean... Fuck... did he have one really good story? Maybe Heaven Sent but I think that's a little overrated. Oh, the Cyberman two-part finale for his last series, I suppose.

I think Into the Dalek was his best story. Real potential in the set up of that story. Granted its still let down by a lot of typical Capaldi era crap.

1/ Missy cameo (spit)

2/ Danny Pink and the boring crap at the school.

3/ The Doctors moronic hatred of soldiers to the point where he is willing to judge a woman who is fighting against the Daleks, and actually leave her to be stuck in that horrible life, where she will most likely die young.

4/ The Doctor being a self pitying shit, asking Clara if he is a good man as well as nonsense about "is the Doctor as bad as the Daleks?" No he isn't!

Still other than that I think it was a good story, could have led to an interesting arc, and I enjoyed Journey Blue and would have liked to have seen her become a companion instead of Miss Smug Pants.

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19 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:09 pm

I thought Into the Dalek was rubbish personally. If I had to choose one it would be either Mummy on the Orient Express (probably his most Doctorish performance too), Flatline or Oxygen.

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20 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:17 pm

@iank wrote:I thought Into the Dalek was rubbish personally. If I had to choose one it would be either Mummy on the Orient Express (probably his most Doctorish performance too), Flatline or Oxygen.

I think there is real potential in showing us a war with the Daleks. We often only see the after effects like in Day, or small low key incidents like in Destiny.

I would have loved 12's story arc with the Daleks to be showing us how humanity struggles against them. How they are forced to work with other races, evil races, to stop the Daleks who are the biggest threat to all of sentient life. Into the Dalek looked like it was going down that route, and then next year it was all forgotten and we just got a few Daleks hobbling around on Skaro, whilst Missy killed one with a brooch and pranced around like a moron.

IMO Mummy on The Orient Express is a bit overrated. Its ending is really rushed and I don't like the Clara/12 slash fic bollocks in it too.

That one with the wooden lady was quite good too, though its ending was a bit sappy, at times it was quite creepy.

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21 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:40 pm

@iank wrote:I thought Into the Dalek was rubbish personally. If I had to choose one it would be either Mummy on the Orient Express (probably his most Doctorish performance too), Flatline or Oxygen.

Somehow I forgot those, both great. Flatline didn't really showcase his Doctor, though.

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22 Re: Jon Pertwee Was A Great Doctor on Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:42 pm

Lie of the Land, Capaldi's masterpiece episode. Engaging, well shot and nailed everything that I actually liked about 12. Mackie and Lucas are clearly having a ball with the material. They should have made it longer. Ditch the Pyramids one and just stretch Lie of the Land over two episodes. Quality television, I'm telling you. It was all downhill from there sadly.

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