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1Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across Empty Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across 24th October 2019, 7:29 pm

SomeCallMeEnglishGiraffe

SomeCallMeEnglishGiraffe

Given our feelings on the Doctor Who fandom as of late, are there any other fandoms that you find either almost, about or even more horrific than the Who fandom?

2Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across Empty Re: Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across 24th October 2019, 7:39 pm

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The Harry Potter fandom....

I'm a casual fan of the books and the movies (Although JK Rowling's recent comments and other shite like the Cursed Child and the Fantastic Beasts movies have threatened my enjoyment) But these super obsessed folk are just....

*shudders* Shocked Shocked

3Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across Empty Re: Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across 24th October 2019, 7:51 pm

Bernard Marx

Bernard Marx

I’m not as well versed with most other fandoms that I would consider worse than Who fandom. I’ve heard generally bad things about the Rick and Morty fandom, Steven Universe fandom, Harry Potter fandom etc, but I’m not as invested in those properties to the point where I’ll get involved in said fandoms. Hell, even when it came to Who fandom, I’ve only realised just how perplexingly bad it really is due to this place shining a light on the moronity of so much of NuWho fandom, though I had noticed that NuWho fandom was shit prior to joining the forum (hence why I joined- that, and the lack of intelligent discussion concerning the programme on most other areas, and my dislike of NuWho).

I can’t really say. There are probably worse fandoms I am less informed about, but current Who fandom is surely a contender amongst the absolute worst. It’s sheeplike, conformist, moronic, popularist, anti-intellectual, hostile to those who disagree with them, and just plain fucking ghastly on so many levels.

4Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across Empty Re: Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across 24th October 2019, 10:05 pm

UncleDeadly

UncleDeadly

Bernard Marx wrote:It’s sheeplike, conformist, moronic, popularist, anti-intellectual

...and, as such, is completely antithetical to the character of the Doctor and what should be the ethos of the programme but then that's fundamentalists for you, isn't it? They always skip over the fundamentals...

To channel Harlan Ellison for a moment, "fandom" is a word I find loathsome and detestable in the extreme. It is, however, theoretically harmless, so long as we do not subsume ourselves in fantasy too thoroughly. Organised fandom, on the other hand, is no different from organised religion with its oppressive orthodoxies and imposed hierarchies. I subscribe to neither. Doctor Who is simply a TV show I like. It is not a franchise and it is, most certainly, not a religion. Heretical, innit?

5Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across Empty Re: Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across 24th October 2019, 10:15 pm

iank

iank

BURN THE HERETIC!

BURN HIM!


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKNC69I8Mq_pJfvBireybsg

6Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across Empty Re: Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across 24th October 2019, 10:29 pm

UncleDeadly

UncleDeadly

LOL  Yes, go on. I've stood on my principles so they should make for good kindling. I'll be magnanimous and wait 'til they've finished with Jon tho...

7Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across Empty Re: Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across 24th October 2019, 10:43 pm

Ludders

Ludders

I've never really bothered with any other fandom. The Doctor Who one is more than enough for me. LOL

8Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across Empty Re: Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across 24th October 2019, 10:54 pm

Bernard Marx

Bernard Marx

UncleDeadly wrote:
Bernard Marx wrote:It’s sheeplike, conformist, moronic, popularist, anti-intellectual

...and, as such, is completely antithetical to the character of the Doctor and what should be the ethos of the programme but then that's fundamentalists for you, isn't it? They always skip over the fundamentals...

To channel Harlan Ellison for a moment, "fandom" is a word I find loathsome and detestable in the extreme. It is, however, theoretically harmless, so long as we do not subsume ourselves in fantasy too thoroughly. Organised fandom, on the other hand, is no different from organised religion with its oppressive orthodoxies and imposed hierarchies. I subscribe to neither. Doctor Who is simply a TV show I like. It is not a franchise and it is, most certainly, not a religion. Heretical, innit?
This sums it up brilliantly. Frankly, the notion of Who as a religion is rather hilarious anyway- surely the original character wouldn’t subscribe to or endorse any distorted doctrine anyway, and why idolise a fucking fictional character as a deity in the first place? It’s never made any sense to me, and I’m still unable to ascertain the rationality of it in any way. How very convenient that NuWho has betrayed the philosophy of the original character- it was, after all, created by self-loathing fanboys who stupidly idolise the character in such a way.

9Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across Empty Re: Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across 24th October 2019, 11:06 pm

iank

iank

One of the reasons I always looked up to him was because he was such an individualist, contrary bastard who didn't give a fuck about rules, regulations and what was expected of him.
It is very bizarre that this somehow led to a fandom composed of the exact opposite kind of people, who then erroneously and tellingly remade the character in their own conformist image in New Who.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKNC69I8Mq_pJfvBireybsg

10Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across Empty Re: Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across 25th October 2019, 12:02 am

UncleDeadly

UncleDeadly

iank wrote:One of the reasons I always looked up to him was because he was such an individualist, contrary bastard who didn't give a fuck about rules, regulations and what was expected of him.
It is very bizarre that this somehow led to a fandom composed of the exact opposite kind of people, who then erroneously and tellingly remade the character in their own conformist image in New Who.

They're christians.

11Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across Empty Re: Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across 25th October 2019, 12:06 am

UncleDeadly

UncleDeadly

Bernard Marx wrote:Frankly, the notion of Who as a religion is rather hilarious anyway- surely the original character wouldn’t subscribe to or endorse any distorted doctrine anyway, and why idolise a fucking fictional character as a deity in the first place? It’s never made any sense to me, and I’m still unable to ascertain the rationality of it in any way.


Fascinating, isn’t it? Here we are, in what is now basically a secular society, and yet we see the same patterns of behaviour surrounding what these people must know, beyond any doubt, is a fictional character. Right down to the seemingly wilful misinterpretations of their messiah’s teachings.
Indeed, the relationship between NuWho and religion has been a perverse and contrary one right from the start with Davies unable to resist a cheap jab as early as The End of The World to show how clever and superior he is. Yet, by the end of series 3, we see the entire Earth’s population praying to and resurrecting the Doctor as if he were Christ himself and at no point is this played as satire, or shown to be wrong. No, Davies is actually straightforwardly encouraging a kind of religious fervour towards the Doctor amongst his audience yet, somehow, never sees any contradiction here.

12Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across Empty Re: Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across 25th October 2019, 6:33 am

Bernard Marx

Bernard Marx

UncleDeadly wrote:
Bernard Marx wrote:Frankly, the notion of Who as a religion is rather hilarious anyway- surely the original character wouldn’t subscribe to or endorse any distorted doctrine anyway, and why idolise a fucking fictional character as a deity in the first place? It’s never made any sense to me, and I’m still unable to ascertain the rationality of it in any way.


Fascinating, isn’t it? Here we are, in what is now basically a secular society, and yet we see the same patterns of behaviour surrounding what these people must know, beyond any doubt, is a fictional character. Right down to the seemingly wilful misinterpretations of their messiah’s teachings.
Indeed, the relationship between NuWho and religion has been a perverse and contrary one right from the start with Davies unable to resist a cheap jab as early as The End of The World to show how clever and superior he is. Yet, by the end of series 3, we see the entire Earth’s population praying to and resurrecting the Doctor as if he were Christ himself and at no point is this played as satire, or shown to be wrong. No, Davies is actually straightforwardly encouraging a kind of religious fervour towards the Doctor amongst his audience yet, somehow, never sees any contradiction here.
God, that scene was so unbelievably awful. Hilariously stupid yet portentous in its intentions- the worst kind of indulgence on the part of a writer. You’re spot on about how Davies never critiques such a fervour- Murray Gold’s more mawkish than usual orchestras coupled with the puke-inducing dialogue just pummels the viewer with the unearned rhetoric of “You will be in awe! This character is wonderful, forgiving and all-powerful!’ It’s the worst kind of passive audience spectatorship, and the worst way of treating one’s audience like complete fucking idiots (not to mention how the scene in question makes fuck all sense, given that Martha would have never been able to travel across the world and tell every human being about the Doctor in a mere bloody year, and how prayer translates into the character literally becoming Jesus is beyond me). It’s a blatant example of bad art in this respect- it never asks the audience to ponder on anything and never lends itself to further analysis, and only seeks to patronise them through coercing such simplistic themes down their throat.

This is slightly unrelated, but I thought I’d bring it up due to its bizarre nature. Amusingly, I encountered a comment underneath Full Fat’s video on Human Nature, which stated that the character of the Doctor should never be godlike, yet stated that RTD was the best producer Who ever had (alongside the late 60s-mid 70s producers in his own words)- I’m aware that he’s also strongly condemned the McCoy era elsewhere due to the character being allegedly ‘immoral’ and godlike, yet when the Tennant era glorifies it in the most embarrassing ways possible, it’s suddenly brilliant (at least McCoy’s era critiques such qualities and doesn’t submit to the lazy tropes used by RTD). What hypocritical nonsense.

Perhaps the RTD sycophancy amidst so many media outlets is partly due to the qualities you discuss above? A sort of misguided dedication to a distorted hero worship? Because I simply can’t comprehend how his scripts, and such a strange dogma, can be seen as anything remotely ‘fantastic’ or ‘brilliant’ as repeated by himself and other platforms with these discussions in mind.

13Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across Empty Re: Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across 25th October 2019, 11:13 am

burrunjor

burrunjor

Bernard Marx wrote:
UncleDeadly wrote:
Bernard Marx wrote:Frankly, the notion of Who as a religion is rather hilarious anyway- surely the original character wouldn’t subscribe to or endorse any distorted doctrine anyway, and why idolise a fucking fictional character as a deity in the first place? It’s never made any sense to me, and I’m still unable to ascertain the rationality of it in any way.


Fascinating, isn’t it? Here we are, in what is now basically a secular society, and yet we see the same patterns of behaviour surrounding what these people must know, beyond any doubt, is a fictional character. Right down to the seemingly wilful misinterpretations of their messiah’s teachings.
Indeed, the relationship between NuWho and religion has been a perverse and contrary one right from the start with Davies unable to resist a cheap jab as early as The End of The World to show how clever and superior he is. Yet, by the end of series 3, we see the entire Earth’s population praying to and resurrecting the Doctor as if he were Christ himself and at no point is this played as satire, or shown to be wrong. No, Davies is actually straightforwardly encouraging a kind of religious fervour towards the Doctor amongst his audience yet, somehow, never sees any contradiction here.
God, that scene was so unbelievably awful. Hilariously stupid yet portentous in its intentions- the worst kind of indulgence on the part of a writer. You’re spot on about how Davies never critiques such a fervour- Murray Gold’s more mawkish than usual orchestras coupled with the puke-inducing dialogue just pummels the viewer with the unearned rhetoric of “You will be in awe! This character is wonderful, forgiving and all-powerful!’ It’s the worst kind of passive audience spectatorship, and the worst way of treating one’s audience like complete fucking idiots (not to mention how the scene in question makes fuck all sense, given that Martha would have never been able to travel across the world and tell every human being about the Doctor in a mere bloody year, and how prayer translates into the character literally becoming Jesus is beyond me). It’s a blatant example of bad art in this respect- it never asks the audience to ponder on anything and never lends itself to further analysis, and only seeks to patronise them through coercing such simplistic themes down their throat.

This is slightly unrelated, but I thought I’d bring it up due to its bizarre nature. Amusingly, I encountered a comment underneath Full Fat’s video on Human Nature, which stated that the character of the Doctor should never be godlike, yet stated that RTD was the best producer Who ever had (alongside the late 60s-mid 70s producers in his own words)- I’m aware that he’s also strongly condemned the McCoy era elsewhere due to the character being allegedly ‘immoral’ and godlike, yet when the Tennant era glorifies it in the most embarrassing ways possible, it’s suddenly brilliant (at least McCoy’s era critiques such qualities and doesn’t submit to the lazy tropes used by RTD). What hypocritical nonsense.

Perhaps the RTD sycophancy amidst so many media outlets is partly due to the qualities you discuss above? A sort of misguided dedication to a distorted hero worship? Because I simply can’t comprehend how his scripts, and such a strange dogma, can be seen as anything remotely ‘fantastic’ or ‘brilliant’ as repeated by himself and other platforms with these discussions in mind.

Brilliant posts.

I've always said that all of the things self loathing fanboys attack JNT for doing in the 80s, RTD and Moffhack did to a far greater extent.

Stunt casting? Yep. JNT had a few popular celebs in, but he had them playing proper roles. Hale and Pace are playing guys in a shop. Its not dated if you don't know who they are now. They could be any two actors, same with Nicholas Parsons and others.

RTD had these people playing themselves. He had a fucking Anne Robinson robot which has dated Bad Wolf terribly.

Not taking it seriously? RTD had farting aliens and guns being shoved up peoples asses!

Making the Doctor a god like alien, again as you have pointed out, he made the Doctor space Jesus.

Referencing the past? Yep, look at all the continuity porn in the Moffat era.

There really is one rule for JNT and another for RTD and Moffhack. When its JNT casting celebs its a pathetic attempt to be relevent, when its RTD, its he had to do it to make the show relevent. When its JNT doing silly stories, its he's damaging the shows reputation, when its RTD its stop being such a ming mong kill joy and taking this kids show seriously.

Basically the only reason self loathing fanboys have that attitude is because RTD was popular and JNT wasn't. Again never mind the external reasons, like Grade's sabotage, the fact that New Who was hyped and playing on nostalgia etc.

DW fans are so desperate to be liked that RTD becomes a messiah for them. In answer to the original question I have never seen a fandom as bad as DW for that very reason.

You get arseholes in other fandoms, but never quite the same self loathing.

As I've said before, imagine if Emperor Palpatine or Darth Vader were treated the same way that the Master was in the Moffat era. Think SW fans would accept that? DW fans did simply because they thought it would make them popular.

14Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across Empty Re: Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across 25th October 2019, 12:39 pm

Bernard Marx

Bernard Marx

burrunjor wrote:
Bernard Marx wrote:
UncleDeadly wrote:
Bernard Marx wrote:Frankly, the notion of Who as a religion is rather hilarious anyway- surely the original character wouldn’t subscribe to or endorse any distorted doctrine anyway, and why idolise a fucking fictional character as a deity in the first place? It’s never made any sense to me, and I’m still unable to ascertain the rationality of it in any way.


Fascinating, isn’t it? Here we are, in what is now basically a secular society, and yet we see the same patterns of behaviour surrounding what these people must know, beyond any doubt, is a fictional character. Right down to the seemingly wilful misinterpretations of their messiah’s teachings.
Indeed, the relationship between NuWho and religion has been a perverse and contrary one right from the start with Davies unable to resist a cheap jab as early as The End of The World to show how clever and superior he is. Yet, by the end of series 3, we see the entire Earth’s population praying to and resurrecting the Doctor as if he were Christ himself and at no point is this played as satire, or shown to be wrong. No, Davies is actually straightforwardly encouraging a kind of religious fervour towards the Doctor amongst his audience yet, somehow, never sees any contradiction here.
God, that scene was so unbelievably awful. Hilariously stupid yet portentous in its intentions- the worst kind of indulgence on the part of a writer. You’re spot on about how Davies never critiques such a fervour- Murray Gold’s more mawkish than usual orchestras coupled with the puke-inducing dialogue just pummels the viewer with the unearned rhetoric of “You will be in awe! This character is wonderful, forgiving and all-powerful!’ It’s the worst kind of passive audience spectatorship, and the worst way of treating one’s audience like complete fucking idiots (not to mention how the scene in question makes fuck all sense, given that Martha would have never been able to travel across the world and tell every human being about the Doctor in a mere bloody year, and how prayer translates into the character literally becoming Jesus is beyond me). It’s a blatant example of bad art in this respect- it never asks the audience to ponder on anything and never lends itself to further analysis, and only seeks to patronise them through coercing such simplistic themes down their throat.

This is slightly unrelated, but I thought I’d bring it up due to its bizarre nature. Amusingly, I encountered a comment underneath Full Fat’s video on Human Nature, which stated that the character of the Doctor should never be godlike, yet stated that RTD was the best producer Who ever had (alongside the late 60s-mid 70s producers in his own words)- I’m aware that he’s also strongly condemned the McCoy era elsewhere due to the character being allegedly ‘immoral’ and godlike, yet when the Tennant era glorifies it in the most embarrassing ways possible, it’s suddenly brilliant (at least McCoy’s era critiques such qualities and doesn’t submit to the lazy tropes used by RTD). What hypocritical nonsense.

Perhaps the RTD sycophancy amidst so many media outlets is partly due to the qualities you discuss above? A sort of misguided dedication to a distorted hero worship? Because I simply can’t comprehend how his scripts, and such a strange dogma, can be seen as anything remotely ‘fantastic’ or ‘brilliant’ as repeated by himself and other platforms with these discussions in mind.

Brilliant posts.

I've always said that all of the things self loathing fanboys attack JNT for doing in the 80s, RTD and Moffhack did to a far greater extent.

Stunt casting? Yep. JNT had a few popular celebs in, but he had them playing proper roles. Hale and Pace are playing guys in a shop. Its not dated if you don't know who they are now. They could be any two actors, same with Nicholas Parsons and others.

RTD had these people playing themselves. He had a fucking Anne Robinson robot which has dated Bad Wolf terribly.

Not taking it seriously? RTD had farting aliens and guns being shoved up peoples asses!

Making the Doctor a god like alien, again as you have pointed out, he made the Doctor space Jesus.

Referencing the past? Yep, look at all the continuity porn in the Moffat era.

There really is one rule for JNT and another for RTD and Moffhack. When its JNT casting celebs its a pathetic attempt to be relevent, when its RTD, its he had to do it to make the show relevent. When its JNT doing silly stories, its he's damaging the shows reputation, when its RTD its stop being such a ming mong kill joy and taking this kids show seriously.

Basically the only reason self loathing fanboys have that attitude is because RTD was popular and JNT wasn't. Again never mind the external reasons, like Grade's sabotage, the fact that New Who was hyped and playing on nostalgia etc.

DW fans are so desperate to be liked that RTD becomes a messiah for them. In answer to the original question I have never seen a fandom as bad as DW for that very reason.

You get arseholes in other fandoms, but never quite the same self loathing.

As I've said before, imagine if Emperor Palpatine or Darth Vader were treated the same way that the Master was in the Moffat era. Think SW fans would accept that?  DW fans did simply because they thought it would make them popular.
Hence why Who fandom rarely seems to provide any form of genuine critical analysis towards NuWho stories from my experience. There’s usually a platitude along the lines of ‘RTD is a genius’, yet this is as far as it extends to. The same goes for Moffat and Chibnall’s sycophants- it typically comes across as if much of Who fandom lacks any genuine passion for the intellectual value and artistic merit of the programme, and simply dedicate themselves to it for sentimental reasons. As UncleDeadly himself acknowledged on another thread, many Who fans who worship NuWho likely don’t have any intellectual connection to the programme (in reference to Gallifrey Base, I believe)- to be able to recite the entire script of an episode or to obtain countless Dalek action figures does not constitute for a conscientious investment in the programme’s merits.

It is so difficult to find a half-decent analysis of Doctor Who online in today’s climate for this very reason- I’ve really liked Clever Dick Films’ YouTube videos on each era so far (they’ve been superb, in fact), but I do get the sneaking feeling that once he gets to NuWho, he’ll be less willing to acknowledge its flaws as he does with the JNT era, as evidenced by his comparing of the audience reaction to Troughton’s casting with those dissatisfied with Moffat era Who. It doesn’t take into consideration the objective qualities of their tenures, and the context of why dissatisfaction was taking place in reference to both eras (regeneration was a whole new concept which had not been tested at that stage, and could have had negative repercussions on the series had Troughton not succeeded; Moffat’s position as a writer had been established for several years at that point, thus general audiences could rightfully assess it more objectively). I really hope he doesn’t fall down this trap, but I fear for the worst. It’s this kind of blind loyalty (present amongst so many outlets discussing Who) to the current programme that fucks me off the most about Who fandom, hence why it is so easy to compare it with a religious cult.



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15Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across Empty Re: Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across 25th October 2019, 4:57 pm

Genkimonk

Genkimonk

Any fandom involving Americans. Sorry if that sounds bad, but that is my honest opinion. They such seem to lack the ability to debate in a civil manner, or state their views as a categorical fact. And (as shown by US media) resort to shouting when you try have a debate with them.

Had it with DW, Anime, and 007 communities. I know there are Brits who have these bad qualities (Ian Levine for example), but they usually are nothing compared to their US counterparts.

16Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across Empty Re: Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across 25th October 2019, 10:27 pm

iank

iank

burrunjor wrote:

I've always said that all of the things self loathing fanboys attack JNT for doing in the 80s, RTD and Moffhack did to a far greater extent.

Stunt casting? Yep. JNT had a few popular celebs in, but he had them playing proper roles. Hale and Pace are playing guys in a shop. Its not dated if you don't know who they are now. They could be any two actors, same with Nicholas Parsons and others.

RTD had these people playing themselves. He had a fucking Anne Robinson robot which has dated Bad Wolf terribly.

Not taking it seriously? RTD had farting aliens and guns being shoved up peoples asses!

Making the Doctor a god like alien, again as you have pointed out, he made the Doctor space Jesus.

Referencing the past? Yep, look at all the continuity porn in the Moffat era.

There really is one rule for JNT and another for RTD and Moffhack. When its JNT casting celebs its a pathetic attempt to be relevent, when its RTD, its he had to do it to make the show relevent. When its JNT doing silly stories, its he's damaging the shows reputation, when its RTD its stop being such a ming mong kill joy and taking this kids show seriously.

Basically the only reason self loathing fanboys have that attitude is because RTD was popular and JNT wasn't. Again never mind the external reasons, like Grade's sabotage, the fact that New Who was hyped and playing on nostalgia etc.

DW fans are so desperate to be liked that RTD becomes a messiah for them. In answer to the original question I have never seen a fandom as bad as DW for that very reason.

Yup. I've said the same thing for years. RTD was guilty of everything JNT was accused of, only did it far, far worse, and the very same people who attacked JNT for it are fine when he did it (bit like they're fine with violence when Hinchcliffe does it but it's TOO FAR in season 22).
Fecking hypocrites the lot of 'em.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKNC69I8Mq_pJfvBireybsg

17Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across Empty Re: Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across 25th October 2019, 11:03 pm

Tanmann

Tanmann
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Honestly, I've always thought both JNT and RTD were as guilty as each other of turning the once popular, accessible, entertaining show into an irrational, pious cult. The RTD sycophants basically just traded one of those cults for the other, simply because RTD's seemed to exhibit more of a smile and a libido of the two. Though I'm beginning to think the RTD cult of the two is the more nasty, detrimental and all-encompassing (possibly because JNT's era at least had more variety to it, so it wasn't some constant mono-narrative).

I haven't encountered many other fanbases to be honest. I was a fan of the Japanese Ringu Horror movies and generally found them a pleasant enough fandom on their forum. I've encountered other Trek fans online, but they tended to be specifically watchers of Confused Matthew and SfDebris, so I imagine they would've tended to be at a remove from Trekdom's worst excesses.

The only other fanbases I've encountered that come off anywhere near as obnoxious as Who fandom are probably Anime fans. They really left me cold a lot of the time.

Whereas the only fanbase that I can honestly say seemed worse than Who fandom, would be the Spoony/That Guy With The Glasses bunch. I wouldn't even dip my toe in the piranha tank of a forum.

18Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across Empty Re: Worst Fandoms That You've Come Across 30th October 2019, 6:54 pm

Pepsi Maxil

Pepsi Maxil
The Grand Master

I don't like certain sections of this one. I made a silly but understandable joke on an Anti Chibnall/13th Doctor group on Facebook which nearly got me removed. I said that the Third Doctor Peter Davidson, the one with the scarf, claimed he could regenerate into a woman in the story "Genesis of the Cybermen," a story made in the 50s. I was obviously parodying the "the Doctor said gender swapping was possible in one of the older ones" types that make up bullshit on the spot whenever they're challenged. One idiot thought I was being serious and informed the admin that I was a "Pro Whittaker troll" and that I should be removed. A lot of them were up their own arse anyway and I didn't like the constant personal attacks aimed towards Whittaker. A lot of those groups are quite bitter and the people on them come across as bullies.

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