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1Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Mon 09 Sep 2019, 6:50 pm

Rawkuss

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2Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Mon 09 Sep 2019, 7:07 pm

TiberiusDidNothingWrong

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It isn't hard to get laid, but the good lays are only available for the most diminutive fractions of a second. You need lightning reflexes.

3Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Mon 09 Sep 2019, 7:09 pm

Cunnus Maximus

Cunnus Maximus

Interesting analysis.

One thing he left out is the possibility that the expectation gap between men and women has widened to the point where women's standards have become inflated.

There's quite a lot of data suggesting men have more accepting standards, while women have become disinclined just to 'settle'.

This also might have some basis in evolutionary psychology. Pregnancy is a big deal for a women, and it makes sense that women are more discerning when it comes to finding a resourceful partner. They, after all, are the ones who are usually stuck with the child. Even though they can obviate that risk now, those entrenched instincts are still present.

4Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Mon 09 Sep 2019, 7:20 pm

TiberiusDidNothingWrong

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It's all instinctual. Women are supposed to have higher standards because it isn't beneficial for our species for every man to beget.

They don't choose based on support until they already have the child.

5Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Tue 10 Sep 2019, 4:15 pm

TiberiusDidNothingWrong

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I blame online dating.

The gap was probably narrower before as people would date/shag largely in their own circles.

With the internet a gal can pick the fittest lad in 50 miles, why settle for less?

Lesser men are left to their wanks and anime etc.

Even if you're good looking, using Tindr feels like selling your soul.

6Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Tue 10 Sep 2019, 8:44 pm

Tanmann

Tanmann
@TiberiusDidNothingWrong wrote:Lesser men are left to their wanks and anime etc.

Well I think men like that (and I include myself in that demographic) need to break the cycle because it's excess masturbation that makes them all the more depressed (because masturbation is bad for your brain's ability to process dopamine), lethargic, poorly motivated and with poor sex drive. If they can kick that habit, they might find they have more energy and confidence and thus will be more attractive to the opposite sex.

7Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Tue 10 Sep 2019, 10:26 pm

Pepsi Maxil

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@Tanmann wrote:
@TiberiusDidNothingWrong wrote:Lesser men are left to their wanks and anime etc.

Well I think men like that (and I include myself in that demographic) need to break the cycle because it's excess masturbation that makes them all the more depressed (because masturbation is bad for your brain's ability to process dopamine), lethargic, poorly motivated and with poor sex drive. If they can kick that habit, they might find they have more energy and confidence and thus will be more attractive to the opposite sex.

This is absolutely true. I have so much more energy and confidence when I don't fap. I actually want to sort myself out and become a better person. I just feel like utter shit whenever I fap to some nasty, worthless porn video.

8Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Tue 10 Sep 2019, 10:35 pm

Tanmann

Tanmann
I know the feeling, sadly.

9Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Tue 10 Sep 2019, 10:39 pm

Pepsi Maxil

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@Tanmann wrote:I know the feeling, sadly.

I wish you luck in fighting it.

10Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Tue 10 Sep 2019, 11:20 pm

Cunnus Maximus

Cunnus Maximus
@Tanmann wrote:because masturbation is bad for your brain's ability to process dopamine

Evidence? What's the scientific consensus on this?

Sounds like a load of NoFap pseudoscience.

11Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Tue 10 Sep 2019, 11:21 pm

Cunnus Maximus

Cunnus Maximus
Commander Maxil wrote:

Stop fucking up my scroll wheel, you cunt. Cool

(Please reduce your sig pic sizes.)

12Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Tue 10 Sep 2019, 11:40 pm

Rawkuss

Rawkuss
I can't stop touching myself, and I feel fine.

13Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Wed 11 Sep 2019, 12:07 am

Pepsi Maxil

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14Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Wed 11 Sep 2019, 12:12 am

Pepsi Maxil

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Boofer wrote:

Stop fucking up my scroll wheel, you cunt. Cool

(Please reduce your sig pic sizes.)

Yes, mum.

15Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Wed 11 Sep 2019, 12:21 am

Cunnus Maximus

Cunnus Maximus
Commander Maxil wrote:
Boofer wrote:

Stop fucking up my scroll wheel, you cunt. Cool

(Please reduce your sig pic sizes.)

Yes, mum.

NoFap is homophobic.

If you can't even grab your own cock, then you're clearly phobic of seeing and touching it's erect mass.

This means you have a hyperhomophobia.

16Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Wed 11 Sep 2019, 12:23 am

Pepsi Maxil

Pepsi Maxil
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Boofer wrote:
Commander Maxil wrote:
Boofer wrote:

Stop fucking up my scroll wheel, you cunt. Cool

(Please reduce your sig pic sizes.)

Yes, mum.

NoFap is homophobic.

If you can't even grab your own cock, then you're clearly phobic of seeing and touching it's erect mass.

This means you have a hyperhomophobia.


Why not try it yourself, Seal? See what happens after three month.

17Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Wed 11 Sep 2019, 1:52 am

Cunnus Maximus

Cunnus Maximus


I'm in my 40s so I don't jack off that much anyway.

It's also way too much hassle on the pills I'm on. Takes me about 30 mins of hardcore strumming to get anywhere near the vinegar strokes. I usually have to change arms.

18Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Wed 11 Sep 2019, 2:50 am

Tanmann

Tanmann
Boofer wrote:
@Tanmann wrote:because masturbation is bad for your brain's ability to process dopamine

Evidence? What's the scientific consensus on this?

Sounds like a load of NoFap pseudoscience.

Well I've generally taken NoFap at their word because they seem to describe the same kind of accompanying lethargic slumps in mood that chime with my experience of indulging pornography excessively.

Plus I've regularly seen a Cognitive Therapist at my local surgery who seems to echo at least what the NoFap community say about porn's detrimental effect on the brain's reward centers. And I have to trust he's basing his knowledge on real science if he's an NHS doctor.

19Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Wed 11 Sep 2019, 3:38 am

Cunnus Maximus

Cunnus Maximus
@Tanmann wrote:porn's detrimental effect

Okay, so you're saying this is a porn issue, not a masturbation issue?

They can't both be the cause. If NoFap insists on stopping masturbation even without porn use due to dopamine depletion, then its philosophy is that masturbation is the cause, not porn.

Likewise, if the NoFap philosophy cites porn as the cause, then why preach abstinence? Just remove the porn from the action, and use fantasy.

The more I look at it logically, the sillier this weird conflation sounds.

The only way I can see masturbation doing damage to dopamine receptors (porn or no porn) is if a person has a sex addiction and is bashing their cock to a mulch 20 times per day. There would have to be genuine ΔFosB overexpression to confirm diagnosis. I very much doubt a few wanks a day would be sufficient to cause any sort of brain or mood changes of the sort claimed.

20Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Wed 11 Sep 2019, 5:40 am

Tanmann

Tanmann
Boofer wrote:
@Tanmann wrote:porn's detrimental effect

Okay, so you're saying this is a porn issue, not a masturbation issue?

Well I think in this day and age, the two are almost certainly inseparable now. Sure twenty years ago, when pornography was only available in specialist shops or on specialist channels, it was probably more likely that the average young male's masturbation habits were either stimulated by nude bits in mainstream films, pictures in tabloids, lad's mags, or their own imagination.

But nowadays porn is so readily available online that I don't think most habitual masturbators would bother with any tamer substitutes that we once had to make do with. If they're masturbating, then online porn is almost certainly what they're using to do it.

They can't both be the cause. If NoFap insists on stopping masturbation even without porn use due to dopamine depletion, then its philosophy is that masturbation is the cause, not porn.

Well the issue as far as I understand it is that masturbation happens, but there are benefits of abstinence and sperm retention which mean that the sperm can become recycled into the body which means men who abstain are storing more energy rather than depleting it.

The problem is that when porn becomes the main, strongest stimulant associated with the pleasures of masturbation, then it effectively becomes the strongest drug providing the strongest hit, and that this can breed an addiction to porn which pushes masturbation beyond just a habit.

Back in the day lads maybe watched Basic Instinct, Porky's or Emmanuelle for pleasure but I don't think they became addicted to it.

Maybe the use of porn means that the usual dopamine hit from masturbation becomes a dopamine flood.

Like I said, it used to be that we masturbated when we discovered a brief scene in a film that stimulated us enough. And that was often a rare enough occurrence.

But if that doesn't have the same effect anymore because pornography is far stronger, then that's pretty much all we seek out. And the spiral becomes when we start to become desensitized to even the regular porn through overuse, and so we start seeking more extreme, shocking versions of porn. Which is itself a worrying sign because it probably means we've desensitized ourselves to regular real sex because even that's not enough like the immediate pleasures of porn anymore.

And worst case scenario is that the desensitizing even dulls our appreciation for simple life pleasures that used to alleviate our mood during the day.

Likewise, if the NoFap philosophy cites porn as the cause, then why preach abstinence? Just remove the porn from the action, and use fantasy.

Well I suppose because if you're used to porn as your stimulant, you're going to find it a struggle to masturbate successfully to climax without it and so you're probably going to cave back into watching it. I think the main thing that's stressed is the need to put as much distance as you can from your last exposure to porn before the brain is sufficiently recovered from it to no longer be dependent on it, and I suppose that means until then there's no real way of enjoying masturbation without porn.

I remember saying to my therapist, well what if I weaned myself down by only watching tamer softcore videos that featured only nude models like Anna Song or Nadine Jansen, but no sex, and he said that's still just the thin end of the wedge that leads to the temptation of all the rest that can be found online, and unfortunately that proved right.

The only way I can see masturbation doing damage to dopamine receptors (porn or no porn) is if a person has a sex addiction and is bashing their cock to a mulch 20 times per day. There would have to be genuine  ΔFosB overexpression to confirm diagnosis. I very much doubt a few wanks a day would be sufficient to cause any sort of brain or mood changes of the sort claimed.

Well the concern I think is a generational one and based on projecting ahead. That the younger generation are starting on today's unprecedented heavy porn availability as part of their furniture, and over the years it can become so much what they're used to and exhausted on, that well, it's possibly best they change path early before that habitual porn-using lifestyle does become such a spiralling, dulling (and in some cases, incredibly expensive) addiction.

I just know that comparing my mood when I fap to when I abstain, when I do the latter, I'm usually a lot more energetic, lively, and motivated, and a lot less tired and irritable. I can't say my mood's perfect when I abstain and I don't have anxious or down moments, but I think I do become more malleable and motivated to proactively making moments of happiness happen.

21Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Wed 11 Sep 2019, 11:56 am

Pepsi Maxil

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22Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Wed 11 Sep 2019, 12:59 pm

Pepsi Maxil

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Boofer wrote: I very much doubt a few wanks a day would be sufficient to cause any sort of brain or mood changes of the sort claimed.

I guess we're all just making it up then.


23Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Wed 11 Sep 2019, 1:02 pm

TiberiusDidNothingWrong

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I never got NoFap. Obviously shagging would be better, but if you're wanking several times a day I can't assume that's by option.

Going weeks without any sexual release can't be good.

24Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Wed 11 Sep 2019, 1:04 pm

Pepsi Maxil

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A man that controls his sex drive controls his life.

25Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread Empty Re: Men's Issues and Masculinity Thread on Wed 11 Sep 2019, 3:14 pm

Cunnus Maximus

Cunnus Maximus
@Pepsi Maxil wrote:
Boofer wrote: I very much doubt a few wanks a day would be sufficient to cause any sort of brain or mood changes of the sort claimed.

I guess we're all just making it up then.



It could well be a placebo, yes. If you wholeheartedly place faith in the power of something it can have a transformative effect. In that sense NoFap might still be of benefit.

Without any long-term, replicated studies NoFap remains a pseudoscience at best, a slightly odd cult at worst.

It's not a magic key to success or progress. If it was we'd still be living in the fucking stone age. LOL  

NG:"Hey Ug, if we stop playing with our plonkers and desist from drawing tits on cave walls, one day we might invent something better than log rolls for shifting heavy shit about."

UG: "Fucking weirdo."

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