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26 Re: Thin Ice on Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:30 pm

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Penny wrote:
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@burrunjor wrote:SJW Clara in 12's era was the absolute worst.

Ooh, I love SJW stuff but I must have missed all this. What SJW stuff did she do?
Major shit Penny.

Y'know, all that women are human beings guff.

I'm sure it wouldn't be something as petty as this.

Although, elsewhere today I've heard that since this episode contained one white, Regency-era aristocrat who was a bit racist that this episode is just one instance of the weekly 'white bashing' that this show is doling out so I guess you can't guarantee the intelligence of every viewer.

I'm not offended at being called a sexist yet again (particularly since I know its in good humour) but one thing that does always interest me is the way that SJW's complain about the rest of us supposedly not being able to stand "evil wimminz" or black people in our favourite shows yet you NEVER watch any female led series (apart from porn in your case)

Seriously Penny what female led genre series do you like? Me I have in my DVD collection, all of Xena, Buffy, Charmed, Earth 2, Star Trek Voyager, Wonder Woman 70's series, Resident Evil film series, A Chinese Ghost Story 1, 2, 3, The Dead and the Dealy, The Bride With White Hair, 1 and 2, Terminator 1 and 2, The Sarah Connor Chronicles, Alien film series, Tru Calling, Ghost Whisperer, Dollhouse, Nikita, even Relic Hunter!

You it seems meanwhile just like male led series like Doctor Who, Red Dwarf, Inspector Gadget. I think a lot of you SJW's project onto other people when you accuse them of not liking anything starring women as you fear that applies to you.

By your logic if I'm a sexist so are you as you it seems like fewer female led shows than I the guy who apparently can't stand women on tv does. Either that or you just don't watch female led shows as you can't complain about how sexist they are.  

Cool story bro.

What SJW stuff did Clara do alongside Capaldi?

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27 Re: Thin Ice on Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:10 pm

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@iank wrote:3.67 million overnights.
Ouch! Wink

Thin A.I Wink

Wow. The overnights have officially hit crisis levels.

Not even the most optimistic adherent of time-shifts and iplayer can claim that this show is still as popular as it was.

It's a shame because this episode was half-decent.

BIG changes are required to get the average turnip to watch the show again.

I suggest they hire the same people who made Benefit's Street.

The Doctor would be far more popular if Katie Hopkins was cast. Imagine her turning off the life supports of the so-called disabled, while banishing fat people to a world with a surface made of treadmills. Also, the Tardis should get a big British flag on it saying 'sending 'em back since 1963' underneath.

Just the right tone for post-Brexit Britain.

Episodes Include: Let's Save Hitler, The Crusades and an episode shot entirely in a provincial Northern pub.

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28 Re: Thin Ice on Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:16 pm

Cool story bro.

What SJW stuff did Clara do alongside Capaldi?

Clara was basically Tumblr the companion.

Basically the SJW's complained that DW was sexist because it starred a male character with a female sidekick and so they decided to big her role up to a ridiculous extent. The companion should never undermine the Doctor. You wouldn't want Watson to undermine Holmes would, why have the Doctor being undermined by his sidekicks. Also as the companions come and go its stupid to make one the most important one of all time.

Over the course of her time on the show Clara was retconned into being the hero of every DW story ever made, the reason he ran away from gallifrey, the reason he conquered his fear as a boy, the reason he undid the time war, the reason the time lords gave him new regenerations. And on top of that the show began to focus on her, episodes like The Caretaker, In the Forest of the Night, Kill the Moon etc.

She also finished the show by getting her own TARDIS, and becoming unkillable. Thus she became a better Doctor than the Doctor. Added to that she generally demeaned him, slapped him, treated him like an idiot. She also went on about toxic masculinity and there was just a general condescending idea of "women are wiser" around her character.

IMO Clara was kind of their surrogate for a female Doctor. Before they make the Doctor a woman, they decide to make the companion the main hero the companion, a female character.

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29 Re: Thin Ice on Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:10 pm

This is interesting for a couple of reasons. One is that this has been a complaint about New Who ever since it returned and Billie saved the Doctor by swinging on a rope while her useless boyfriend did nothing.

Another reason relates back to the stuff you sparred out instead of answering my question which is that I like TV shows to be interesting and men are really good at writing interesting stuff for men to act. Breaking Bad, for example, is a stupendous bit of telly in which the women are all but anonymous.

I actually do like a number of the series you mention in your "female-led" diatribe but having a woman in the lead isn't enough for it to be a feminist triumph if the show is the creation of a man. Joss Whedon, Ronny Yu, Sam Raimi, Rob Tapert, Josh Friedman, James Cameron etc. I'll give you Constance M. Burge for Charmed but she's the only one.

If you think Relic Hunter was a show for women because it had a female lead then I can't disabuse you if that notion but to me it was a show that existed so we could continually see Tia Carrere sweating in a skimpy vest.

And if these men, either as a result of criticism or in an attempt to avoid criticism, try to create a "strong" woman they invariably turn it up too far and create something like your hated super-powered Clara.

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30 Re: Thin Ice on Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:12 pm


That great feminist classic, Relc Hunter.

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31 Re: Thin Ice on Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:51 pm

Filth.


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32 Re: Thin Ice on Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:32 pm

Penny wrote:This is interesting for a couple of reasons. One is that this has been a complaint about New Who ever since it returned and Billie saved the Doctor by swinging on a rope while her useless boyfriend did nothing.

Another reason relates back to the stuff you sparred out instead of answering my question which is that I like TV shows to be interesting and men are really good at writing interesting stuff for men to act. Breaking Bad, for example, is a stupendous bit of telly in which the women are all but anonymous.

I actually do like a number of the series you mention in your "female-led" diatribe but having a woman in the lead isn't enough for it to be a feminist triumph if the show is the creation of a man. Joss Whedon, Ronny Yu, Sam Raimi, Rob Tapert, Josh Friedman, James Cameron etc. I'll give you Constance M. Burge for Charmed but she's the only one.

If you think Relic Hunter was a show for women because it had a female lead then I can't disabuse you if that notion but to me it was a show that existed so we could continually see Tia Carrere sweating in a skimpy vest.

And if these men, either as a result of criticism or in an attempt to avoid criticism, try to create a "strong" woman they invariably turn it up too far and create something like your hated super-powered Clara.

Well yes I do think that was a valid complaint during the RTD era. The worst moment was the Doctor Donna nonsense. There's no worse way to undermine a hero than to have someone else get their powers and use them better than they do.

To be fair though I think RTD was a bit of an SJW too. This is a man who called Primeval racist for not having enough black people in it and did a cringey "its happening again" moment in Turn Left.

However its during Moff's time and with Clara that things got worse. Not at first. I think Amy and even River though she could get annoying in other ways didn't undermine the Doctor and were fine companions. It was from Clara on that he panders however to the SJW fans hugely.

And I honestly don't see what's wrong with a female led show being made by a man? Its not like there are no female writers, but ironically a lot of them prefer to write about men, and it seems a lot of men prefer to write about women. I do agree that a lot of guys who try to write women can turn it up too far, but TBH in things like Xena, Buffy, Charmed, Once Upon A Time that isn't the case, and just as many female writers do it too nowadays in order to virtue signal.

Relic Hunter meanwhile I don't see how having a sexy lead makes it one that women can't enjoy? Plenty of male led shows have sexy leads? Spike, Angel, Ares from Xena Herclues etc. No one is going to cast Eric Pickles as Hercules or Spike anymore than they are going to cast Ann Widdecombe as Xena.



Buffy's giving him head in this scene when he wasn't looking. Seriously!

One could argue that in some ways there is more of a market for the "female gaze" for want of a better term. Look at the characters of the Doctor and Sherlock Holmes. In the 21st century they both had to be rewritten to be appealing to women, via Tennant and Cumberbatch.

Imagine the outrage if someone were to do a version of say Miss Marple where she was reimagined as a big sexy babe like Tia Carerra and they were going on about "we need to get young boys watching so that's why we cast her". Similarly the whole slash fiction thing comes about over female viewers drooling over the male leads.

Look at Supernatural. Guys don't write porno stories about the Charmed sisters online to the extent where the show references it all the time like Supernatural does.

Also its worth mentioning that a lot of straight women enjoy watching things with sexy female characters too.

Having sexy leads applies for both genders. Spike and Dean Winchester for the girls and gay guys, Buffy and Faith for the straight guys and lesbians, and Xena and John Barrowman for everybody LOL. It doesn't bother me either way, except in the Doctors case because he IMO should be older and less romantic, but even then its not sexist against men at all.

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33 Re: Thin Ice on Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:18 pm

Saw it last night.
Fucking shit. Fucking boring shit. Fucking boring twee shit. Fucking boring twee shit which has now recast the Doctor as a PC SJW saying tumblr-appealing shit like "history has been whitewashed".
Two average episodes and its back to the same old gobshite.
Even Bill started to fucking annoy me last night.
Barrowman.

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34 Re: Thin Ice on Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:07 pm

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@iank wrote:Even Bill started to fucking annoy me last night.
I don't have any strong feelings about the episode but her lack of experience definitely showed during her more emotional scenes this episode.


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35 Re: Thin Ice on Mon May 01, 2017 11:38 am

You win.

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36 Re: Thin Ice on Mon May 01, 2017 4:13 pm

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Who won what?


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37 Re: Thin Ice on Mon May 01, 2017 4:54 pm

@Adam Ant Driver wrote:Who won what?

I think she means I won the argument thanks to that sexy picture of James Marsters getting a blow job from an invisible Buffy?

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